Elections in Armenia

[Armenian]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

As I observe from the wayside, I must say, anyone who does not think that there was some funny business that occurred during the elections is serious deluded.

I don't think you'll find anyone saying the election were 'completely' "fair and just." That, however, is not the point. The point is electing a pro-Turk, pro-West treasonous whore like Levon, who incidentally, ruined the nation during his rule and was forced out because he wanted to return Artsakh to Azeri rule. Nevertheless, in reality, a nation in the situation Armenia is in can't (and should not in my opinion) have free and fair elections. Upper echelons of government, the senior military leadership, the diplomatic cores, the political senior political analysts, etc, need to determine where the republic is to be heading and how, not the hungry masses of ignorant people. Moreover, of all the candidates we had Sargsyan was best qualified to run the country. Because of the Kocharyan administration, the Armenian Republic has made significant gains, especially in the realms of foreign policy and military. Nonetheless, seeing what I have seen of Armenians, I pray to God that the country falls into the hands of a nationalist strongman and not into the hand of the suicidal masses.

Armenia is a fascist dictatorship and ruled by traitors who shot Armenian people just as the Azerbaijanis and Turks would do. And that says a lot. And today we also saw the main difference between Ter Petrosyan and the current thugs. The difference is that Ter Petrosyan handed the power down when the people were against him while the current thugs wont because all they care about is power and $$$. They are finished. That's for sure. Whoever shoots Armenian people will be dealt accordingly.

I can only pray for a fascist dictatorship in Armenia and the day when all wannabe Bolsheviks go home to Lenin...

I think Armenia should temporarily let a western business person like Krikorian run the country for a decade. I like Vartan Oskanian he should have been the President.

Azad, with all due respects, this comment of yours reminds me exactly of the problem we Armenians have - naivety and lack of understanding of history and politics. Armenia's problem is its geographic location, its 80 yeas of Bolshevism and the mere fact that we have not had nationhood for nearly a thousand years. The biggest obstacles Armenia faces today is regional superpower geopolitics and its neighbors. Thus, no one, including a person like Krikorian, can cure Armenia's ailments, unless, however, the person is willing to sacrifice all of Armenia's national interests, bend over to Azerbaijan Georgia, Turkey, EU and the US and break away from Russia and Iran. In a nut shell, this is the problem. So, give up all your short term/longterm national interests for western promises, or stick the course you currently are on now???

[Azad]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Armenian, I think you misunderstood my point. In no way I would support Western political influence on Armenia. I personally think we do not even have enough Russian involvement in Armenia and do believe that Armenia will not survive a day without Russia. The point I was making that it is hight time to move to a new generation of politicians that are more refined and sophisticated that the ones with a cigarette in their hands.

Kocharyan was an excellent President and definitely Sargsyan would have been my first choice from the candidates, except I do not view it as a progression from Kocharyan to Sargsyan. I think it is time to move to a new generation of refined politicians.

[Կարմիր Բ]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I don't support Ter-Petrosyan. I don't agree with his foreign policy. I was neutral in this conflict and what I wanted is a balance of power and a democratic process. I made a post in this very thread some months ago where I wrote that whoever is the victor, I hope he doesn't win with a large margin because that way he will be forced to be under check.

I am very upset with this situation because they are creating a needless civil war.

You people should be men enough to admit that the voting was rigged. This is not a matter of who is right. Its a matter of violation of the rules. Every game has its rules. If you don't go by the rules, sooner or later things will go out of control.

Rule 1) The majority decides
Rule 2) You don't xxxxing shoot your own people.

We all knew that these protests would happen. I know that there are some who say that the country needs stability. I agree. What kind of stability though do you excpect, when you are managing the country, as if it is your private property?

You play by the rules.

Anyone who says he didn't expect protests to spark is a hypocrite. You blame the protesters while you are miles away, but you don't see the reasons which have lead these people to the streets. And the protests will intensify if we don't alleviate the causes.

The average protester doesn't give a xxxx about Levon. And nobody wants to sell the country. Is there anyone who seriously believes that these people are risking their lifes because they are Turkish agents?!! Or because of a xxxxing politician? Please, get a grip.

Their problem is that they are tired of being habitually manipulated for the pockets of 4 families. Their problem is that there is no Justice. Their problem is that they are not allowed to decide for their own fate.

These are the same people who brought Levon down because of his foreign policy. And they are the same people who will bring the new nomenklatura down. The one's to be blamed are them, not the people.

The Armenian people know no master and serve nobody. The Armenian people are not obedients or subjects. I will not accept my countrymen to be treated as if they are some barbarian tribes somewhere in Africa who lower their heads to their rulers. If you are looking for yes-men, then you are in the wrong country.

No justice, no peace.

You are not going to find stability in the country if you brake the rules anytime soon, believe me.

[crusader1492]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

...another email from a freind of mine who lives in the gendron. Here is what he had to say as of 3/2/08:

"Hi, this morning I walked from opera house until mashtoz underpass everything was just fine police closed the underpass toward city hall and near French embassy where they made a mess and my friend 8:30 at night went everywhere with exception of closed area and found calm I hope stays calm. We are fine and all shops are open and traffic is normal, 8 people got killed and about 30 people got arrested for looting all young guys."

[Lernakan]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I heard some strong warnings from Kocharian and Tigran Torosyan that the men who organized this (levon effendi and his team) are going to pay for what they did. I hope they will be brought to justice and have to spend the rest of their lives in prison.

Armenian you forgot to add one person to your list of traitors that need to be executed:

Nikol Pashinyan



This man was calling on the police yesterday night during the rallies to join the protestors and give up their loyalty to the ruling government.

Armenian I agree with what you said and that you kind of saw this coming or did expect such a thing could happen shows that you know what you talk about. For me this was really unexpected.
However I don't think that you can call all the protestors of levon enemies or traitors. I bet there were a lot of people there who were just tired of the social conditions and were hoping for a better life and a populist leader like levon speaks to the mind of these people. They saw him as their only chance to get a better life. I'm not saying that they did the right thing I'm just saying that we should view these things from different perspectives. The only ones that really need to be punished are levon and his team.

here is a message to levon:
LEVON TER-PETROSYAN HRAJARVI

http://youtube.com/watch?v=J9gLAAir5jg

[Artandsky]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I am a supporter of democratic values. However the road to demarcate is not the same for all the courtiers and real democracy is not achieved overnight. In case of Armenia (I strongly belief) we should not be in hurry; As it might turn to be a deadly mistake.

IMO The priorities are
Stability and security (for obvious reasons) strong army and security services.
Strong national unity (Here we need to promote healthy nationalism)
Good economy (lesser chance creating bustards that ready to sell the country out)

And some time after, when country will be on a stable path democracy should be gradually introduced.

Yes….and if we need a guy like Pinochet for start so let it be!

[Կարմիր Բ]

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Yes….and if we need a guy like Pinochet for start so let it be!

How comfortable to say that while you are in your cosy EU country.

[Artandsky]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

How comfortable to say that while you are in your cosy EU country.

And what do you suggest? U-turn politicks after every election?

Or just tell how would you like to see the near future of Armenia?

[Fedayeen]

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Have you seen wath the followzeq of Levon did you Yerevan, the stores they robed. They ere acting like criminals and are now treated like criminals.

Today when I saw the city I was wondering where the army was to protect the city against those savages. And Robert should have acted sooner

Have you seen the video or you heard about it?

[KarotheGreat]

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Have you seen the video or you heard about it?

seen on the news, seen the damage in the stores. Cars destroyed busses destroyed. The grand candy store was looted all the candy was stolen. shoes stores and all