Elections in Armenia

[Noosh]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I think we have all forgotten who we are and what we stand for. There is no excuse or reason for the events of the last 10 days. I have no doubt that there is corruption in the present government and I also have no doubt that there will be corruption in the following government.

Everyone is talking about all the problems with Armenia. I think maybe we are a bit too demanding of our country and our government. I first visited Armenia 4 years ago and have gone back 2 to 3 times a year. I have seen the changes that are occurring in the country. On my first and second visit to Armenia I was blackmailed at the airport and had to pay 200 dollars to be able to get my luggage through. In the last two years everything seems to be improving.
Yes the impotents are mostly in Yerevan, the villages and the surrounding areas of the capital of poverty stricken. Let’s be logical. Us, as Diaspora Armenians, would you visit Armenia if the capital was a shamble. We have to start somewhere. There are more intelligent and effective ways of making changes we don't like that brut violence. What ever the problems are I think intellect should rule not violence. This is not a mark of an Armenian.

Do not forget this is 17 year old country that is one of the fastest growing economies in the world. Right now our country and people need us to unite and help in the development of our country. I cannot for the life of me how this destruction is going to help the development of the economy and how it will help the poor and struggling people of our villages to survive.

We as Armenians have been use to only philosophizing and criticizing.

I put it to you; we finally have our own country, instead of splitting it apart, let’s put our heads together and put it together. Only with a strong country and a united people, can we make a stand.

Let me put it to you in another way. How strong is one cat, if he is cornered by 1000 mice? If the public is unhappy, by sitting around the dinner table and complaining to each other, they will not make a difference. Take action. Make a stand. Your voice is strongest when it is united. This does not mean take to the street and act like cavemen. This means gather and make your voices be heard.

Armenians killing Armenians! Unforgivable, what ever the circumstances.

It is easy to hate. Hate is a primal emotion. From a people who have been on this earth for over 3,000 years. I expected more.

Each and every one of you, who have spent your precious time, voicing your opinions in this forum. I urge you to spend the same amount of time thinking about how we can heal these wounds and move forward, to find a solution. Not to spread more hatred and deepen the wounds enough to make our country and our people move venerable to our enemies Worth a thought. Don't you think!

[aray]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

The public prosecutor of Armenia has not excluded the possibility of arrest of first president Levon Ter Petrosyan

. In Russian: http://www.regnum.ru/news/fd-abroad/armenia/967005.html

[Armenian]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Ov vor es, apres. The depth you just revealed is over the heads of a significant portion of Armenians today... Yet Levon and his team have to be hated, they have to be punished. There is not other way out of this historic mess. There is no other way to heal the open wounds the usurpers caused. In many cases, Armenians killing Armenians can be very forgivable. At one time or anther, all nations have gone that path, including Jews Americans, Russian, British, etc. Why are we expected to be any different?

If the national organism reveals bad cells, cancer cells, the bad cells need to be eradicated for the longterm good of the organism. I have no problems with the deaths of Armenians who express rhetoric and/or actions that are a threat to the security of the Armenian state. The Armenian Republic must be placed above petty considerations regarding the individual.

I think we have all forgotten who we are and what we stand for. There is no excuse or reason for the events of the last 10 days. I have no doubt that there is corruption in the present government and I also have no doubt that there will be corruption in the following government.

Everyone is talking about all the problems with Armenia. I think maybe we are a bit too demanding of our country and our government. I first visited Armenia 4 years ago and have gone back 2 to 3 times a year. I have seen the changes that are occurring in the country. On my first and second visit to Armenia I was blackmailed at the airport and had to pay 200 dollars to be able to get my luggage through. In the last two years everything seems to be improving.

Yes the impotents are mostly in Yerevan, the villages and the surrounding areas of the capital of poverty stricken. Let’s be logical. Us, as Diaspora Armenians, would you visit Armenia if the capital was a shamble. We have to start somewhere. There are more intelligent and effective ways of making changes we don't like that brut violence. What ever the problems are I think intellect should rule not violence. This is not a mark of an Armenian.

Do not forget this is 17 year old country that is one of the fastest growing economies in the world. Right now our country and people need us to unite and help in the development of our country. I cannot for the life of me how this destruction is going to help the development of the economy and how it will help the poor and struggling people of our villages to survive.

We as Armenians have been use to only philosophizing and criticizing.

I put it to you; we finally have our own country, instead of splitting it apart, let’s put our heads together and put it together. Only with a strong country and a united people, can we make a stand.

Let me put it to you in another way. How strong is one cat, if he is cornered by 1000 mice? If the public is unhappy, by sitting around the dinner table and complaining to each other, they will not make a difference. Take action. Make a stand. Your voice is strongest when it is united. This does not mean take to the street and act like cavemen. This means gather and make your voices be heard.

Armenians killing Armenians! Unforgivable, what ever the circumstances.

It is easy to hate. Hate is a primal emotion. From a people who have been on this earth for over 3,000 years. I expected more.

Each and every one of you, who have spent your precious time, voicing your opinions in this forum. I urge you to spend the same amount of time thinking about how we can heal these wounds and move forward, to find a solution. Not to spread more hatred and deepen the wounds enough to make our country and our people move venerable to our enemies Worth a thought. Don't you think!

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Well, if you are going to enact a constitution, don't you think that you should see fit to recognize it.

Members of the diaspora contributed to the drafting of the constitution. It seems as if those in power were merely appeasing us and the international community by adopting it.

But, on the other hand, in practice, those that rule the country do not apparently want to give life to the RA's constitution and humanity to its citizens.

[Armenian]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

[SIZE="3"][B]The public prosecutor of Armenia has not excluded the possibility of arrest of first president Levon Ter Petrosyan

I can only pray for his public hanging.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Ov vor es, apres. The depth you just revealed is over the heads of a significant portion of Armenians today...

Including you, Armenian. Definitely, you. You prefer and encourage totalarianism, censorship, civil war, and conviction/corporal punishment without trial.

If the state beats the people and then holds the stick over their head and temporarily strips them of their human rights, what room is their left to talk?

[Armenian]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Please get the various pertinent articles posted in this thread concerning Levon Petrosian out to as many people as you can. All you have to do is email individuals the link to the various posts found in this thread.

Example: Armenia Assaulted by Orange Agents: http://forum.armenianclub.com/showpo...&postcount=484

There is a relatively well organized and well funded campaign out of southern California and several English language websites that have been working towards discrediting the Armenian Government, inciting unrest in the Armenian Republic and encouraging anti-Artsakh/Nagorno Karabagh tensions. The harsh realities of the treasonous criminal Levon Petrosian needs to be disseminated within the Armenian public. I ask you to mail the above links to as many individuals, embassies, news papers, websites, organizations and churches as you can.

These are some the websites that have been partaking in this bloody coup attempt:

Hetq: http://www.hetq.am/arm/

Armenianow: http://www.armenianow.com/?lng=eng

A1 Plus: http://www.a1plus.am/amu/

Send these sites your messages of anger and disgust. Let's show these mother xxxxers that not all of us are deaf, dumb and blind to what they are attempting to do.

If you are upset with what's going on, get your asses active!!!

[Fedayeen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I think we have all forgotten who we are and what we stand for. There is no excuse or reason for the events of the last 10 days. I have no doubt that there is corruption in the present government and I also have no doubt that there will be corruption in the following government.

Everyone is talking about all the problems with Armenia. I think maybe we are a bit too demanding of our country and our government. I first visited Armenia 4 years ago and have gone back 2 to 3 times a year. I have seen the changes that are occurring in the country. On my first and second visit to Armenia I was blackmailed at the airport and had to pay 200 dollars to be able to get my luggage through. In the last two years everything seems to be improving.
Yes the impotents are mostly in Yerevan, the villages and the surrounding areas of the capital of poverty stricken. Let’s be logical. Us, as Diaspora Armenians, would you visit Armenia if the capital was a shamble. We have to start somewhere. There are more intelligent and effective ways of making changes we don't like that brut violence. What ever the problems are I think intellect should rule not violence. This is not a mark of an Armenian.

Do not forget this is 17 year old country that is one of the fastest growing economies in the world. Right now our country and people need us to unite and help in the development of our country. I cannot for the life of me how this destruction is going to help the development of the economy and how it will help the poor and struggling people of our villages to survive.

We as Armenians have been use to only philosophizing and criticizing.

I put it to you; we finally have our own country, instead of splitting it apart, let’s put our heads together and put it together. Only with a strong country and a united people, can we make a stand.

Let me put it to you in another way. How strong is one cat, if he is cornered by 1000 mice? If the public is unhappy, by sitting around the dinner table and complaining to each other, they will not make a difference. Take action. Make a stand. Your voice is strongest when it is united. This does not mean take to the street and act like cavemen. This means gather and make your voices be heard.

Armenians killing Armenians! Unforgivable, what ever the circumstances.

It is easy to hate. Hate is a primal emotion. From a people who have been on this earth for over 3,000 years. I expected more.

Each and every one of you, who have spent your precious time, voicing your opinions in this forum. I urge you to spend the same amount of time thinking about how we can heal these wounds and move forward, to find a solution. Not to spread more hatred and deepen the wounds enough to make our country and our people move venerable to our enemies Worth a thought. Don't you think!

You are probably the first person to talk about the experience in Armenia and mentioning villages and the surrounding areas. Over the years you saw an improvement, but for people living there, there is no improvement. Past few years all the improvement has been done toward favor of tourists, that only generates even more money for select few. The country survives on people from outside. Everyone depends on help from outside.


I completely agree with you.

And its intresting how every Armenian sees it differently. For example, people who have never been to Armenia tend to be more "Hayrenaser" then people who lived there. This does not nessesarly mean they don't like their homeland, it just means they experienced what kind of pigs are in control of power.

[aray]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

And NOW, they are trying to start military hostilities with Azerbaijan in order to maintain their cling on to power.

This is exactly what azeri tirks say. Amot qez amot.

[Fedayeen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Including you, Armenian. Definitely, you. You prefer and encourage totalarianism, censorship, civil war, and conviction/corporal punishment without trial.

If the state beats the people and then holds the stick over their head and temporarily strips them of their human rights, what room is their left to talk?

His a xxxxing hypocrite. He gets happy that opposition (So he calls pro-western ) news stations have been shut down. I just said the other day, people outside of Yerevan do not know whats going on in the capitol!!!

Then he complains about US news station not reporting full stories to US citizens about war in Iraq, etc.

OK. This is a good start. I am glad that the state apparatus is taking this seriously. They need to close down every single one of these western funded media outlets and xxxx everyone that works for them... Hetq, A1 Plus and Armenianow must be next...

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Pro-West Broadcaster Yanked in Armenia

The only foreign radio programming in Armenia's native language was taken off the air and its Web site blocked as part of the country's state of emergency, the broadcaster said Tuesday. Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty said in a statement that its two Armenian affiliates halted the broadcasts to comply with the emergency decree that allows media to only report news that is sanctioned by the government. Its Armenian-language programs have been replaced by music, the broadcaster said. Armenian President Robert Kocharian declared the 20-day state of emergency Saturday night following clashes between government forces and demonstrators protesting alleged fraud in the Feb. 19 presidential election. Eight people died and more than 100 were injured in the fighting. Demonstrators supporting opposition candidate and former president Levon Ter-Petrosian protested the official results from last month's election that put their candidate a distant second to Prime Minister Serge Sarkisian. The Prague-based broadcaster, which receives funding from the U.S., said its driver was beaten by police officers in the Armenian capital, Yerevan, on Saturday while the correspondent he was working with managed to escape. Another journalist for the broadcaster was threatened by government forces in the town of Gumri, it said. Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty said it was adding Web domains to get around the blocking of its Armenian language Web site in the country. Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty was established in 1949 to spread pro-Western news and promote democratic values and institutions in countries behind the Iron Curtain. It broadcasts in 28 languages to some 20 countries.

Source: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i..._k5uQD8V6PDB00