Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

[Armenian]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

Dude, it takes a big man to admit mistake and apologize. Your previous reaction was pathetic and childish. However, now I see where your true intentions are. I feel that you are genuine.

Listen, I have said it on many occasions: I 'don't' have a problem with 'proud' Armenians who happen to be mixed, especially when they are mixed with white Christians. My problem with you in the past has been your lack of understanding and dedication to the Armenian nation - simply your ignorance. Your Armenian identity seems to be selfish and conditional. You want it because it will make you feel better, it will make you feel whole. Well, that is good but it is also not nationalistic or patriotic. Dedication and service to the fatherland (or motherland for that matter) must be condition-less. Considerations for the fatherland is above all. You just want to 'feel' Armenian, so that you can 'feel' as if you belong somewhere... That is why I said being an Armenian to you seems to be like a fashion statement. You seemed to be a typical American youth. That was my problem with you, not your family lineage. Having said that I must also say I'm glad you have started your identity search. I feel that there is a 'fire' burning within you, allow that fire to engulf you in flames.

So, as long as you don't act like an ignorant American and you and I will have no problems. You need to make a few good Armo friends and visit the Armenian Republic with them. You need to start learning about your language, your heritage and the over four thousand year old history of the Armenian nation. I would also suggest you to kick the rap habit. Once you truly 'feel' and 'act' Armenian you will have no problems fitting into any Armenian community across the world. Your problem is that you are in your initial stages of your Armenian trip. It will be a rocky road, Armenians are a difficult/complicated bunch to get along with. And being an Armenian had its burdens. So, you will either give up and change your name like you said earlier, or you will stick it through and remake yourself. In the end, it's all up to you. Perhaps you can join one of the volunteer groups that go there. If accepted, all expenses are paid for you by the organization. But you need to have something, a profession, a talent, to give back. But please, do not bring to them any of that tasteless/primitive/brain-dead rap crap... Anyway, if you decide to go it will be a trip of a lifetime. You may just rediscover yourself. What do you say?

Have a safe and happy New Years Eve as well.

And welcome back.

Armenian I never have felt that having the ability to call myself Armenian was a fashionable statement ... I just wanted to reconnect with my cultural heritage which got lost in the previous generation. Sorry if I seemed so surface. The reason why I am apologizing to be honest is because I don't want to disrespect the memory of my grandparents who I feel compelled to honor in any way I can. They never forced my dad or uncle to be super Armenian but at the same time now that I am older, and can look back in retrospect, I know they were less than happy that my sister and I were even further from Armenian culture than their own children. They got to witness the assimilation over several generations and realized that there was nothing they could do about it due to extraneous circumstances out of their control. The little I know about Armenian culture (it maybe more than you think!) came about through them. I was always pestering them about Armenian stuff from a very early age and I think of all the times we spent together in Queens during those years had a major impact on me. I listened when my Nana refused to believe or acknowledge the ewish holocaust (lol ... makes me laugh now when I think of how heated I get sometimes and I remind myself of her ... she was "firey" !!) My point being that you all more than I are a very special people that the world really wants to learn more about and understand better, but I am afraid if you isolate yourselves too much that no one will ever get a chance to find out. Perhaps outsiders are as interested or more interested in preserving Armenian culture than some Armenians are … I know that to be true.

[Virgil]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

My point being that you all more than I are a very special people that the world really wants to learn more about and understand better, but I am afraid if you isolate yourselves too much that no one will ever get a chance to find out. Perhaps outsiders are as interested or more interested in preserving Armenian culture than some Armenians are … I know that to be true.

Lamb Boy, outsiders are outsiders, no one will ever pick up a rifle for the sake of Armenia and Armenians except Armenians themselves, there exists no compromise to this rule, Armenians for Armenians. This is first rule you have accept. Yes, on a economic-political level, allies exist, but you have to understand, allies only exist because both parties have a incentive to work together or else, once intersecting interests fail to interesect, the alliance between two respective nations, respectfully, diminishes.

Second, the greatest threat to the contemporary Armenian people stems from multiculturalism. It is a disease that will destroy the Armenian Diaspora and since the Diaspora accounts for more than 50% of the Armenian population, multiculturalism will eventually spread into Armenia and Armenia will just become another developing state under the thumbs of American degenerate corporate culture. How so? New ideas replace old ones via the economic leverage used on behalf of the Diaspora to change the internal value system of the Armenian people that reside within Armenia, eventually, the walls that protect populations from being "replaced" will erude and the authentic Armenian population will be replaced by new populations, what used to be Armenian becomes a hybrid sludge that is no longer authentically Armenian, this is destiny of the western states, there will exist nothing authentically European in Europe if the trend continues and likewise, if this trend is exported to Armenia via the Diaspora, the same fate will be destined for Armenia. Essentially, you don't xxxx where you eat, but that is exactly what Armenians are doing, we are deficating where we eat. And understand this second rule exists in all ethnic groups, on the macro level, no unique ethnic group likes change, and certainly, on the micro level, individuals resent change.

Understand, individuals like me fight muliticulturalism because we don't want degenerate western corporate culture and multicultural sludge to be destiny of the Armenian people. Cultural change and progression should stem from the center of the Armenian state, it should never be imported into a community whether this community is a state, a city, or a home, it makes no difference, change should expand from the inside to the outside.

Well, how do you change this course of action? You first, as a individual make sure you understand that the idea of a "Diaspora" is a lie, there exist no such thing as a "Armenian Diaspora". Our beloved William Saroyan, although he was a great writer, failed to understand that there does not exist a "spiritual Armenia", it sometimes is not within the power of two Armenians to create a "new Armenia". Anyone outside the homeland has already given up their right to their identity, essentially, these individuals are already lost to centrifugal assimilation. What is centrifugal assimilation? It is assimilation that occurs because you, as a Armenian, are located outside the center of the Armenian identity (i.e. the geographic location where Armenians originate from and have had a historic presence, which was referred to, geographically, as the Armenian Highlands and where today, there exists a state known as the Armenian Republic.).

This understanding and acceptence of "centrifugal assimilation" becomes then the central axis that will fuel and motivate you as a Armenian to be more loving and caring towards your state and people. This ideology superceeds any that exists today, if you, as a Armenian, understand that the state is the fundimental engine that represents you as a individual on the global stage then you, certainly, are motivated to preserve your state at all costs. Eventually, this then leads you to be pro-Armenian at all levels (And I mean "at all levels", on the micro and the macro!). Therefore, it is important consider the Diaspora as a lost cause, there exist no such thing, there only exists the Armenian state and people.

With reference to your comments regarding otars and their "interests" in Armenia, I don't want otars to preserve anything, let them stick to their own kind, we don't need them, we need to be nationalistic like Germans and Japanese if we are going to survive the new age, monoethnic, monoracial, and holding the same religious beleifs, this is the most purest form of a nationalism, this idea that the state is greater then the individual should be championed. And understand this has to be bolstered in order to make sure (a) civil war does not occur, (b) foreign entities do not try to create a puppet government (Iran, Turkey, and Russia, all are trying to "court" Armenia, this is a reality we have to accept, we have to make sure all deals are fair and balanced, certainly, all these deals are only political in nature and are not any indication of "good" or "bad" individual relations with the respective citizens of those respective states), and (c) our national resources are in the control of the Armenian people.

Understand, Armenians don't have the populations to absorb new individuals and certainly, we don't have the population to accept foreign ideas. I want each and every Armenian to be a nationalistic superman and superwomen, I want them to eat "Armenianness" for breakfest, lunch, and dinner this is going to defeat our enemies that want to depopulate Armenia. What our enemies want us to do is to continually emigrate out of Armenia, is to champion the idea of a "Diaspora".

You have to understand this fundimental rules of being Armenian, contrary to popular belief, being Armenian is a not a "state of mind", it is a ethnic group, we are white, we are christian, and we are Armenian. The most important of these three titles is that last one, in order to stay unique we must bolster actions that will champion our unique identity, anything else will amount to selling ourselves short and, most importantly, selling out our culture for the denegerate values that are being peddled to developing nations under the banner of "modernaty" and "progession".

How do you accomplish this? Well, for starters, you have to go back to the primative, but productive ideology of our ancestors. Essentially, they were living under the multicultural states that today are considered a "new phenomenon" in the west, the reality is that these states already existed and Armenians have already been exposed to them. In the end the Armenians under these governments had a long history of experiences that had taught them that the only to maintain a identity and culture is to keep it insulated with Armenian sources, meaning, you marry Armenian and support Armenians in all endevours.

However, today these fundimental laws that have preserved our identity and culture, which has allowed us to exist up until era where we are privalged to have a Fatherland (Never use "Motherland" to describe your state, it is always Fatherland!) and has certainly, allowed us to allocate resources to this state are being attacked by individuals within the community that have a personal interest to change 3,000 years of collective knowledge. This knowledge is priceless, Armenians must really dig deep into their past to understand why Armenians hold these values because they do stem from our previous experiences as a people under oppresive regimes.

You have to understand, you are not "African-American" (AKA Wigger!), you are Armenian, you are not Armenian-American, you are Armenian, and you are not English and Armenian, again, you are only Armenian. If you truly want to be Armenian and want other Armenians within the community to welcome you, you must make a honest effort to change and adopt the true ways and values of the Armenian people or else clinging to pop-culture and championing multiculturalism will only make you seem like a "agent provocateur".

[Lucin]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

Lamb boy,
I also believe that your initial reaction was a bit childish. Actually it wasn't very Armenian of you. Anyway, we can help you learn more how to be an Armo and have a rebirth if you will, by overcoming this identity crisis.

Nice to see you back.

you can at least admit to this, how would your identity fare or how about this, what would have happend to Armenians in Iran if they were to accept your views on mixed Armenians? They would have converted to Islam a long time ago...

That's a different story... I will in no way accept such mixes with Africans, Muslims or J.ews and interestingly, all these types I have met in my life have much stronger tendencies towards their non-Armenian side.

we are privalged to have a Fatherland (Never use "Motherland" to describe your state, it is always Fatherland!)

Just curious, why? ( And I am not a feminist at all)

[Alexzan]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

I am just wondering but.
What would happen if ALL OF THE DIASPORA were to move to Armenia?

[crusader1492]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

I am just wondering but.
What would happen if ALL OF THE DIASPORA were to move to Armenia?

If you mean all at once (or within a short time period), then it would be just like any foreign element entering a state en masse...cultural and political chaos (think Mexicans and the USA).

With that said, I'm all for diasporan Armenians to move to Armenia, but in a controlled and deliberate way.

Anyway, it doesn't look like Armenia will have this problem anytime soon, if ever.

[Yedtarts]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5GoTfPAGFo

[jgk3]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

The music is by Yanni

kind of ironic if it's trying to tell "our music".

It uses nice imagery and words though.

[Virgil]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

The music is by Yanni

kind of ironic if it's trying to tell "our music".

It uses nice imagery and words though.

What do you think of this one?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JyQnvhmguKA

[jgk3]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

that one speaks far more to the heart.

[Fedayeen]

Re: Are Armenians on the verge of extinction?

Is there still anybody who thinks we are not on the verge of extinction?