Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

[Armanen]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

Well is there an indo-European race? Has this been proven scientifically?

Yes, it's a sub race of the Caucasian race. And science doesn't prove anything, it disproves things, plus we just outlined how so called scientific theories on race often have a sinister political agenda behind them. Read jgk's great post a page or two back.

And if these people existed, their physical anthropology was bastardised long ago.

Agreed. That's more than likely the case.

So this leaves us with a linguistic connection

You are forgetting the large cultural connection as well. Take a look at the myths, relgions and symbols of the various Aryan nations. Along with the language they form the two dominant pillars of Aryan (Indo-European) studies.

The more important question is what makes this ‘indo Europeans’ special.

What people have dominated the world for the past 500 years? This domination has been unlike any other group. Not to mention the fact that it was the Caucasians who created the first civilization.

If we really want to back into history and knowledge the breadth of Armenians linguistic and anthropological past, we would see that Armenian Nation was comprised of several different tribes and ethine, and by no means exclusive to the hypothetical indo-European ‘race’ or language or culture for that matter. Armenians developed their unique civilisation in the Armenian highlands, and whatever subsequent Aryan tribe hypothetically migrated from these lands, established their own unique civilisations in their own part of the world.

I agree and I wasn't arguing against this.

Put it this way the ancient civilizations that existed in the Armenian highlands from as early as man started grazing lands were not merely part of grander superior Aryan super race, but rather proto-Armenians who lived in these lands and slowly developed their own national consciousness,

Understanding the role these tribes played and the impact they had on other tribes, Aryan and non Aryan, is an important part of the equation.

[jgk3]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

The more important question is what makes this ‘indo Europeans’ special. Aside from the very natural human trait of making ourselves feel superior to others, threes no real historical flesh to the ‘superiority’ argument many people propose. If early Aryan tribes existed as a united racial/national entity were they dominant? Perhaps. But were they any more dominant then Mongols? Or the invading Turks? Arabs? And then why use dominance as criteria? Armenians have rarely been dominant over their much larger neighbors, and yet we still survived through the millenia – that’s an admirable quality – not, for example the dominance shown by Anglo-Saxon jute tribes who ruthlessly massacred indigenous brits, then continued to imperialise smaller helpless nations. Importance? Importance is subjective. I for example take solace in the fact that Armenians were always few in numbers, as apposed to your hypothetical indo-European race, which would include a sizable chunk of the human population.

What made ancient Indo-Europeans/Aryans special was their solar-oriented mythology and ritualism. Though it was understood that their racial/genetic aspects were important in keeping a consistent blood line and blood boundaries for the different castes (e.g. Myceneans ruling over Pelasgians, Brahmins ruling over non-Indo-Aryans)/classes (royal blood), it had no bearing on the truly crowning aspects of their tradition unless they were in conjunction with sacred, solar-oriented rites.

Certain other non-Aryan traditions, such as those in the Far East, or in Ancient Egypt, achieved a similar solar-oriented ritual structure as that of Aryans.

It was this commitment to the rites which kept society hierarchical, caste differentiated and tri-partitioned between warrior nobility, clergy and peasant which created order and balance, because through the rites, everyone would look upwards, even the absolutist ruler, to find their motivation and place in this world. Materialism did not govern their minds. The role the rites played replaced (or at least superimposed themselves on) the role of politics we are so familiar with today. The rites were more powerful and pervasive to the soul in the imposition of laws to be, not only followed, but savoured. Non compliance to them by the individual meant death or alienation. Non compliance to them by society meant decadent corruption and chaos. Those who understood this, savoured the rites for their elevating qualities.

When societies began to change their laws, undergo reforms or revolutions, they altered their consciousness towards them. Their supranatural quality as rites handed down from a higher realm were now being seen as human inventions, which could be tweaked around to their own whims, thus giving rise to human justice, human politics. The alienation from spiritual stability and order (the only lasting kind) was now in process.

Aryans tended to preserve this name, "Arya", which either had to do with nobility or manhood, for members of society who succeeded through rites of initiation within their society. This idea of "becoming a man" exists all around the world actually, you can even find it in documentaries about African tribes to this day: a man who had proven himself before God/gods through rites, often through a daunting sacred task not accomplishable by the weak of heart, would be recognized by the rest of the initated community. After this process of initiation, a man would now be able to bear the health of his society, through spiritual consciousness governing material existence, on his shoulders.

So the notion of "Aryan", being in line with this, does not only have to satisfy blood qualities (that of caste), but also of a sense of duty towards tradition, initiated and renewed frequently through rituals.

Finally, what distinguishes Aryans from other traditions who seem to follow suite with this process of initation are:

1. Solar-oriented mythology:

- The most supreme deity to be recognized was always either in the form of the sun, light or fire. These things represented domineering purity of consciousness, clearly above the material realm (for the record, you can find this motif in any self-respecting form of Christianity: Jesus Christ is seen as a luminous being who is pure of heart and is beyond the material realm. Halos, which can be seen on angels are "rings of light" which represent the same thing). The heavens and the royal afterlife were also seen in this regard of solar governed pure existence.

The Material world, with all its fleeting pleasures by contrast represented the abyss, and any obssession towards it was seen as evil and spiritually blinding. This puts Satanism in context, doesn't it?

2. Indo-European language and civilization:

The language of the Aryans would be imposed on the peoples which they subdued. The subdued aliens tended to be regarded as barbarians or animals in most if not all truly traditional Aryan societies, that is unless their tradition (that of the aliens) was recognized as solar-oriented like that of their own and its accomplishments as a civilization were seen as greater than their own (Romans looking up to Greek civilization, Germanic tribes looking up to Roman civilization).

The truly barbaric (also seen as animal-like) peoples tended to have cults or rites which were either lunar oriented or telluric (the earth/material/animals). Deities of this orientation were of supreme significance to them. If you're hunting for Aryan warmongering or domination on the earth, just look out for the following equation: battling the forces of telluric or lunar orientation + Indo-European language.

I hope this helps you see that "Aryan" has more to do with a state of consciousness than merely the blood component (which is seen as material in and of itself when not in conjunction with rites for keeping it spiritually pure and enabling heredity for these spiritually awakened qualities amongst the noble classes).

It is evident that not all rulers in the Indo-European/Aryan realm forged in Eurasia followed the spiritually essential aspects of their tradition. This abundant reference to their past performance with the variated motifs of the same essentially Aryan tradition should help those of us interested in this way of life to know what is essential for the flame of an Aryan tradition to continue to burn.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

Anoush wrote:

We are definitely NOT J'ews

Phew!! Thanks for clearing that up... I can sleep with a clear conscience now

And the meek shall inherit the earth.....

[Eddo211]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

.........and the meek shall inherit the earth.....[/b]

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[Anoush]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

Anoush wrote:

Phew!! Thanks for clearing that up... I can sleep with a clear conscience now

And the meek shall inherit the earth.....

Yeah yeah yeah KanadaHye, the mere fact is that some je'wish nationalists are trying to come up with the super intelligent idea that we are semitic and have a geat deal of je'wish blood in us.

Whaaaaatever their agenda is all about.

[jgk3]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

Their wet dream is to destroy every civilization on the face of their earth and reduce us to globalistic human resource inputs that worship work and nothing traditionally sacred. They fear anyone who reaches towards their traditional ethos, and wish to destroy them especially if they are such a strategically placed obstacle in the world map as Armenia threatens to be.

By making us and the world believe that we are semites, or "Phrygian colonists", they effectively obliterate any coherent connection we or anyone looking into the matter can make between us and the natives of the Armenian highlands who have been living there for several thousands of years. They want to limit our history to the shortest, most insignificant and least thought provoking level possible. Doing such a thing also facilitates the pseudo-history being written about Georgians or Azeris being taken as legitimate in the world scene. This would translate into eliminating the claims we have to the lands we once had, and even the lands we hold on now. Dangerous situation.

[hipeter924]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

Their wet dream is to destroy every civilization on the face of their earth and reduce us to globalistic human resource inputs that worship work and nothing traditionally sacred. They fear anyone who reaches towards their traditional ethos, and wish to destroy them especially if they are such a strategically placed obstacle in the world map as Armenia threatens to be.

By making us and the world believe that we are semites, or "Phrygian colonists", they effectively obliterate any coherent connection we or anyone looking into the matter can make between us and the natives of the Armenian highlands who have been living there for several thousands of years. They want to limit our history to the shortest, most insignificant and least thought provoking level possible. Doing such a thing also facilitates the pseudo-history being written about Georgians or Azeris being taken as legitimate in the world scene. This would translate into eliminating the claims we have to the lands we once had, and even the lands we hold on now. Dangerous situation.

Yeah well, even if they manage it I think that their wall will collapse by the laws of gravity, when they build it too high.

[jgk3]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

I'm afraid that the bureaucracy they set up is immune to the laws of gravity. So are the liberal philosophies they manufacture and export to the masses.

It is ultimately up to us to stand up to them and expose that their representation of our ancient civilization is madly misconstrued, a result of it's research being neglected for very understandable political reasons considering our condition after the genocide and under Soviet rule in the past century. We do not need to have those enemy forces cloud the understanding of our past any longer.

If every race with a rich traditional past did this, I can hardly see how the globalist agenda could possibly survive. We would once again be conscious of differences and inequalities between people and the civilizations they make up, and it is precisely through this realization that people can live with a plurality of civilizations, instead of everyone being shoved into one cosmopolitan mold with no higher purpose or goal for the individual to dedicate him or herself to. Just work, eat, sleep, not thinking or acting beyond very basic considerations for family or relationships. This is exactly what is desired of us as a way of life, anything beyond this is considered irrational and is discouraged in such a cosmopolitan society (except for giving to a charities or causes that once again, for the average person, appeal to our emotions, our sympathies towards unresolvable symptoms of sickness in our society or in some poor place like Africa. Monetary compensation will do, genuinely inspired commitments using higher faculties of consideration are not likely options in the mind of the average individual in our society). What gets encouraged rather, are chaotic manifestations of love, hope and fear... passions, associated with sex and drugs, slave-like responsibilities such as perennial debts incurred either due to lavish spending on cheaply produced luxurious goods or for the more "noble and intelligent" idea of incurring a mortgage on a house that you have to spend the next 30 years of your life paying for, a house that's an embarrassment compared to the structures built in the 50s... You pay more and more of your time and energy to attain cheaper and cheaper homes and goods to house and clothe you for an insignificant existence that is designed to serve the most banal and dehumanized thing... the economy. That is what they want of us, and I say no. Back off.

I'm not pessimistic, I'm optimistic about keeping my civilization close to heart.

[hrai]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

Their wet dream is to destroy every civilization on the face of their earth and reduce us to globalistic human resource inputs that worship work and nothing traditionally sacred. They fear anyone who reaches towards their traditional ethos, and wish to destroy them especially if they are such a strategically placed obstacle in the world map as Armenia threatens to be.

By making us and the world believe that we are semites, or "Phrygian colonists", they effectively obliterate any coherent connection we or anyone looking into the matter can make between us and the natives of the Armenian highlands who have been living there for several thousands of years. They want to limit our history to the shortest, most insignificant and least thought provoking level possible. Doing such a thing also facilitates the pseudo-history being written about Georgians or Azeris being taken as legitimate in the world scene. This would translate into eliminating the claims we have to the lands we once had, and even the lands we hold on now. Dangerous situation.

Very well stated.
They have a greed beyond belief and covet world sympathy and opinion as "the chosen ones". With this goal in mind thye set their stall with such bs as related in posts above.

The Cradle of Civilization lies in the Armenian Highlands from before the time of the Great Flood.

The civilizations/cultures of Sumer & Ur were colonies of proto-Armenians

[jgk3]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

yes, however I do caution against blaming "the xxxs" as has always been the convenient thing to do. Though many of them are involved in undermining the histories and the traditions of the goyim, they would never have been successful without the participation of powerful elements of European descent who both have historically given them their blessings to carry this work out and have actively participated in rewriting the histories of the people they had colonized so as to undermine their ability to one day return to their sovereign traditional outlooks. It is worthy to note that Turks too of course have been dedicated towards rewriting our history so as not to make us look like the true natives of the lands their nation is a squatter to.

In any case, the cradle of civilization in the Armenian Highlands is an obscure concept to many and we must work together to change this situation. As it stands, the international academic scene is receptive towards our discoveries. What they are not yet receptive to is the idea that Armenian civilization, specifically our pre-christian elements can be linked to Urartu and beyond, working back all the way to Karahundj. Evidence of Aryan civilization is abundant and I think this is precisely the element that is desired upon our academic enemies to be undermined. This would both shorten our history and eliminate the context from which our race carries an ancient and rich legacy, which I believe that once it is recognized by an Armenian, can be resurrected as a distinct virile and sober spiritual way of life that can still have amicable relations with the Armenian Apostolic Church.