Are Armenians white????

[gegev]

Re: Are Armenians white????

They're trying to sort out the confusion. join the EU or not to join the EU, that is the question
According to Y-chromosome testing, today's Armenians/Azeriz/Georgians/Turks/iranians/ossetians/Abkhaz/lebanese/syrian genoms are very close to each other, and i'm not getting this out of my ass, so you can have no doubt we're all one big family

While Czechs/Sardinians/Greeks/French/Germans/Italians/British/Dutch/Spain are more closely related, same goes for Russians/Ukrainians/Uzbek/polish/hungarians/kazak/Saami/kyrgyz

Is this the "modern" women dialect?

[jgk3]

Re: Are Armenians white????

amen mart togh hayeren khosi as threadin metch, Dennis@ bidi pakhi.

[jgk3]

Re: Are Armenians white????

That doesn't change the fact that most Armenians look like Iranians/Assyrians/Kurds/Turks and vice versa..

Ayo, hima ge haskenas vor genetic@ yev ardakin desk@ nuyn pan chen? Yev hok che vor ayn azgeri het ge nmanink kichme, normal e. Kna, Yevrobagan girlfriendme k@dir yete irenk anchap ge sires.

[Mos]

Re: Are Armenians white????

laveli, dennis@ turk a harur tokos

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenians white????

Ayo, hima ge haskenas vor genetic@ yev ardakin desk@ nuyn pan chen? Yev hok che vor ayn azgeri het ge nmanink kichme, normal e. Kna, Yevrobagan girlfriendme k@dir yete irenk anchap ge sires.

[retro]

Re: Are Armenians white????

Although closely related to neighboring ppls, As you see Armenians have more R1b, than any other countries next to it, that should tell you something about our origins , and there's no J1(semetic) either, while turkey and azeris(cuz of turkification) have it.

Yes the Armenians are an anomaly. As they have a higher frequency of R1b than Balkan populations and the Anatolian hypothesis seemingly applys far more to R1b, than to R1a. Whilst eupedia is not a reliable source. It's my understanding that their are pockets of R1b in Eastern Armenia in the high 30's.

It's also worth noting that on the Eupedia sites chart, Lebanon has a lot of J2 like Cyprus and Greece. The Lebanese actually have very mixed genetics. However they are originally from Mesopotamia. Since J2 is Western Semitic marker from the Fertile Crescent and you are quite right to differentiate it's regional distribution from J's Southern Arabian branch J1.

Arabization hasn't masked the fact that the Lebanese aren't Arabs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr0RJLEw_Pc

[ArmSurvival]

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An important fact has been overlooked here. Ancient Armenian tribes like the Hurrians and Mitanni migrated from Armenia to the middle east and established kingdoms there. Due to these ancient migrations, many modern Arabs (especially Syrians and Lebanese) resemble the typical phenotypes which were/are present in the Armenian Highlands. So its false to say that Armenians "look like Arabs", in fact its more correct to say its the Arabs who look like us.

Same thing is true of Turks. Turks didn't look mediterranean when they came from the far east. They looked more or less like every other tribe which migrated out of greater Mongolia, whether it was Huns or Mongols. It was only after this small number of Turks assimilated into the local populations that they started to resemble the typical Greek and Armenian. Again, its not so much that Armenians look like Turks, rather its the Turks who look like Armenians.

[Runner]

Re: Are Armenians white????

Joghovurt hayer@ spitak en, bayts verjers aveli shat en lsvum hayeri masin vor inch zibili het ases chen amusnanum. Araj soveti jamanak trqeri tsoytsn ein mtnum, heto vor es paterazm@ ban sksav mikich khelki ekan, hima el sksin parsikneri tsots@ mtnel u severi het man gal. Es verabervuma tghekin u akhjkekin, chen karum spitak mard charen te irants hnaravorutyunner@ chi nerum kargin mardkants het teghashor mtnel... chnayats vor yes sents nayum em 90% hayastai yerkichneri trqakan vornots en yergum dranov el ognum en vor azg@ trqana. Mer mshakuytna trqakan u sev darnum, dra hamar el mez inch qaq ases chen asum. Isk sran petka hanel steghits u es thread@ pakel IMO.

[Azar]

Re: Are Armenians white????

I think we can end this thread by saying:

Armenians, Iranians and Azerbaijanis, are a non-white people, with a small white minority.

That's pretty much, the truth after all.

[jgk3]

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I think we can end this thread by saying:

Armenians, Iranians and Azerbaijanis, are a non-white people, with a small white minority.

That's pretty much, the truth after all.

I disagree. I think what's going on here is actually, since our homelands are on the fringes, or just outside of Europe... the question of "whiteness", which is heavily associated with "Europeanness" starts to become controversial and hazy... It's not black and white (forgive the pun)... You see, even if the genetics show a clear relationship to Europeans, the regional adaptations that include tanned skin and whatnot makes us "look" different from this arbitrarily defined, heterogeneous set of appearances called "white", but in reality, we have enough in common with them that deciding whether or not to consider ourselves as part of the same set becomes a game, a matter of preference, hence why Armenians experience "white status" by the American government to evade giving them the benefits of being a visible minority, whilst at the same time, are also considered as "Middle Eastern" socially, to exclude them from being socially accepted as white. A double standard?

Eastern Europeans don't look necessarily like western ones, but because they don't tan as much as we do, they pass as white, while we share many physical features in common with Europeans. I guess xxxs are even more interesting cases, because many of them have pale skin, but preserve the physical legacy of their middle eastern origins, and too are not always considered white... Very strange.