Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

[Lucin]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Charming is like playing an instrument or speaking a language, if you don't or re not allowed to practice it, you lose it instead of improving yourself.

I liked this analogy you made. Simple but nice and to the point.

Isn't femininity a bit hormonal, a bit cultural?
Maybe they don't have it or have it to a lesser degree or are not interested in developing it like the tomboys that you've mentioned.

How can anybody deny that it's not 'cultural'? At least to some degree… by saying cultural, I do not mean that the 'charm' is a culturally or socially constructed phenomenon but the culture and the society of any given nation can have an undeniable impact in encouraging developing it, or repressing it. Some cultures even deem it as whorish. In some cultures, a woman cannot laugh, smoke or tell a joke in front of men or else she'll pass off as a sl*t. While in some other cultures, the sl*ts (in the true sense of the word) are not being recognised as such.

[Sako]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

...I think we're talking to a wall, lol! no matter what we say, it won't matter.

[meline]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Think it's psychological...

Thanks. My point exactly

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Neither hormonal nor cultural I'm affraid.

Think it's psychological...

[meline]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

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Isn't femininity a bit hormonal, a bit cultural?
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Neither hormonal nor cultural I'm affraid.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Are KanadaHye, gegev....exceptions?
KanadaHye thinks that women who can charm are dumb

LOL, that was sarcasm!!!

Why did they want to hide their chest? Yes, one of the most feminine body parts, the most feminine in my book.

We must be reading the same book... lol.

[Kattie]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Men may have different perception of women’s charm but I would say that women’s femininity is their biggest weapon against man…………..from being a lady in the board room to a tigress in the bedroom which can be used to seduce both socially and sexually.

Yes. Or vice versa i.e. a tigress in the board who inspires respect and feminine in intimate moments, depending on her nature.

Men love strong but yet soft feminine women. I believe women should heighten their sensuality as much as they can (ex: wearing a red laced demi-bra with matching thong under your work clothes) even though nobody knows what they are wearing………….but what happens is that the woman will feel/act sexy and her sexiness will ooze out of every pore of her body and that is picked up unconsciously by men. Acting classy, the walk, being gracious, considered, spunky, kind, thoughtful, flirty, bright colors, and turning men down nicely and sweetly.

Are KanadaHye, gegev....exceptions?
KanadaHye thinks that women who can charm are dumb, gegev thinks:

Being obedient Armenian women play very important role in the family they are, in fact, the shadow Commander in Chief

I love the "Commander in Chief" part.

Do woman use charm deliberately to manipulate men? Yes, many do but not all. Manipulation comes from the mind where charm comes from the heart.

I really like "Manipulation comes from the mind where charm comes from the heart." Thanks!
It nicely "summarizes" the second and third of my description of what is charming:
"Second of all, I would distinguish it from what can be considered as a responsibility or compliance to a certain code/etiquette. For instance, little girls want to put on pretty dresses because they want to be a princess and charm, older women put on pretty dresses because it is proper. The dream is gone.
Another example is when Armenians put a pretty dress because it's "shnorkov", the purpose is not to charm but to comply. Of course, the two are not mutually exclusive.

Third of all, I would distinguish it from acting i.e. forcing oneself to do what people consider as charming, so it has to be naturally part of you. I have in mind women who force themselves to act in certain way just or wear a certain type of clothes/underwear just because they believe that their partner would enjoy it. Of course, if the woman genuinely enjoys how the clothes/underwear feel/look on her body then it's not acting, and she will wear them differently, with style."

LOL, that was a very looong explanation but thanks.

I know. I just wanted to make sure that it was long enough so nobody will miss it, but despite all someone missed it.

The thing is that whenever I see a 'discussion' (I can't even call it a discussion) about women ( in particular Armenian women) especially on this forum (or elsewhere) you hear nothing but some sweet words about how our women are flawless, charming, pretty and sweet angels… at times I feel that the person saying that is actually referring to herself, lol. Take this thread for instance. Now, I'm not saying that there are no such women with those characteristic amongst us but it'd be really good if we sometimes were more open, self-aware, conscious, self-critical and less self-absorbed and self-assured…

That is true and it is a shame because in the long term it will work against us, and that is a handicap. Yes, Armenian women need to work a bit harder, but I continue to blame the community for being overly repressive. Charming is like playing an instrument or speaking a language, if you don't or re not allowed to practice it, you lose it instead of improving yourself.

So some are not 'repressed', they simply do not have that thing called charm.

Isn't femininity a bit hormonal, a bit cultural?
Maybe they don't have it or have it to a lesser degree or are not interested in developing it like the tomboys that you've mentioned.

There is something in tomboys that can't be tamed but I don't know why they're trying to hide their femininity, or their female organs. Maybe it's been unique to tomboys I've known but I've noticed that they were not quite comfortable with their chest, one of the most feminine body parts.

Why did they want to hide their chest? Yes, one of the most feminine body parts, the most feminine in my book.
The tomboys that I had in mind did not hide their feminine side, actually they could be so sensual and graceful without being too soft.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

Don't give me that look... lol

[iFemale]

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Some of us are working on raising angels... so while some sit around waiting for the world to change, others are making it happen.

Hey, we'll let you women battle that out amongst your selves, but I'll be routing for the flawless, charming, pretty sweet angels, lol.

And you know society is forcing those characteristics to be oppressed so the only people that are willing to speak their mind are those willing to defend those characteristics in this thread

[Anoush]

Re: Are Armenian women handicapped because of their upbringing?

I think Armenian men are far more handicapped then Armenian women. The women have to put up with us. Haha.

It's funny ha? Yeah we do have to put up with you... sheesh!

We can't live with them and we can't live without them!!!

If you're good though it's more than pleasure; but make sure it is good dears!