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[Hellektor]

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Azar means fire/scarlet.... look it up... Azar is a popular last name among Christian Lebanese and it comes from Persian meaning "fire".

What's it you are not getting? Read the fucking thing I posted where I say:

“atr” (ատր) has a clear definition and means fire. Azar is the Arabized and re-Persianized form of atr/atur = fire. Which part of this don't you understand? Read the goddamn thing I posted before commenting.

[KanadaHye]

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I actually came up with my explanation before finding that link.... and that link confirmed my explanation. Think it's a Persian author that wrote that though..... there, I changed it... maybe you thought I was trying to say Aazar or Aatar meant fire in Armenian.... when I meant Persian/arabic

[KanadaHye]

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What's it you are not getting? Read the fucking thing I posted where I say:

“atr” (ատր) has a clear definition and means fire. Azar is the Arabized and re-Persianized form of atr/atur = fire. Which part of this don't you understand? Read the goddamn thing I posted before commenting.

What are you getting mad at, we posted the exact same thing!!!

[Hellektor]

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P.S. I am from Iran. Persian is my second mother tongue, Armenian being the first, in case you didn't know.

[Hellektor]

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What are you getting mad at, we posted the exact same thing!!!

No! Your explanation does not have anything to do with Atropat the satrap. It's a cunning way to claim Baku had something to do with Azarbaijan. It does not! Of course, being under Persian rule there were fire-temples, Zoroastrian places of worship all over the place. The thing is: Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) is the northwest region of Iran SOUTH OF THE ARAX RIVER! Baku is NOT Azarbaijan, has never been Azarbaijan. They stole the name for pan-Turkist purposes in 1918. Don't tell me you are not getting this.

[KanadaHye]

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It's a historic fact, not Armenian propaganda. Go read ANY historian from ANY period (in my thingy I have included dozens of historians from all ages, many of them from the Islamic era). There's no doubt in the origin or the meaning of the word Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan), and since your user nick was KanadaHye, I didn't know you were not an Armenian and believed in Turk falsifications of history. Curious, are you a Turk? No offence, just interested.

What I'm trying to say is AZAR isn't Armenian... its Persian/Arabic.

[KanadaHye]

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No! Your explanation does not have anything to do with Atropat the satrap. It's a cunning way to claim Baku had something to do with Azarbaijan. It does not! Of course, being under Persian rule there were fire-temples, Zoroastrian places of worship all over the place. The thing is: Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) is the northwest region of Iran SOUTH OF THE ARAX RIVER! Baku is NOT Azarbaijan, has never been Azarbaijan. They stole the name for pan-Turkist purposes in 1918. Don't tell me you are not getting this.

I don't think that text is claiming Baku had something to do with the Azarbaijani region (Atrpatakan).... if you read it carefully. It was published after 1918.

Claiming Azarbaijan means "Land of Atropat" and not "land of fire" for political purposes is misleading. Since Atr, Azar and Aatar all mean "fire" or associated with "fire".


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[Eddo211]

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P.S. I am from Iran. Persian is my second mother tongue, Armenian being the first, in case you didn't know.

Ironic how our host county Iran (Persia) in ancient times tried so hard to convert Christian Armenians to Ahura Mazda without any success.
not to mention with some serious pay back..............hahaha
and they themselves ended up being converted to Islam.

Some of my best friends are Iranians.

[Hellektor]

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What I'm trying to say is AZAR isn't Armenian... its Persian/Arabic.

Who ever said “azar” was an Armenian word? I said that “azar” is the distorted form of the Indo-European term “atr”/”atur” = fire that still exists in its original form in compound words such as atragooyn, atrooshan, atrdjanak, etc. in Armenian, though it does not exist as an independent word. It doesn't exist in its original form in Persian, having been replaced by the distorted term “azar”. I remember a Persian story came out some years ago named “A bird called Azarbad”, this is the same name as Atrpat. There are some who regard “atur” might have a Babylonian/Assyrian origin. Even if this were true, it still has nothing whatsoever to do with Turks.

The point is, the name of Real Azarbaijan which is Atrpatakan is still unchanged in the Armenian language as a result of the Arab invasion not having had the same impact on Armenians as it did on Iranians and their language.

The other point is that Atrpatakan (= Azarbaijan) is the northwest region of Iran, ALWAYS south of the Arax River, called Lesser Media before the time of Alexander which was renamed after Atrpat, the Median satrap who held on to its independence and refused the rule of the Seleucids, the generals of Alexander, who ruled Iran for about 80 years after the fall of the Achaemenids by Alexander.

UNDISPUTED HISTORIC FACTS:

Lesser Media (always south of the Arax) ==> Alexander's invasion about 2300 years ago ==> Atrpat not ceding Lesser Media, the latter renamed after Atrpat into Atrpatakan/Aturpadegan ==> slight change of the name (probably in Parthian or Sassanid times) into Aturpayegan ==> Arab invasion in the 7th century AD (affecting the Persian language). Because of the lacking sounds in Arabic Aturpayegan became Adhrbeijan ==> not very Persian sounding re-Persianized into Azarbaijan ==> 1918, a fake pan-Turkist nonentity was counterfeited north of the Arax by Ottomans to prevent the resurrection of an Armenian state on Armenian territory not under Ottoman yoke, just having been liberated from Russian rule after 1917 “revolution”. The name “Azerbaijan” was cunningly chosen for later claims on real Azarbaijan because its Iranian population had become speakers of Turkish in the last 5 to 6 centuries, as a result of Turkic domination in the region.

[Hellektor]

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Claiming Azarbaijan means "Land of Atropat" and not "land of fire" for political purposes is misleading. Since Atr, Azar and Aatar all mean "fire" or associated with "fire".

This is a blatant instance of projection: it's you who are misleading people by falsifying history and for political purposes. The fact is that the nonentity north of the Arax did not exist before 1918 and the region was NEVER called Azerbaijan before 1918. The meaning of the term Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) is attributed, named after, pertaining to Atrpat/Atropat:

LAND OF ATROPAT NOT LAND OF FUCKING FIRE

Are you a Turk, an “Azeri”? This is very simple but you keep on regurgitating the same pan-Turkist baloney. If you are a Turk, then we have nothing to discuss. Cut the crap and get it over with if you are a Turk, what’s the matter? I continue explaining this as clearly as possible, yet you stubbornly parrot the same falsified Turk dung.

If the Median general Atrpat was called Mihrdad, the Iranian northwest region called Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) today would be called Mihrdadakan.

If the Median general Atrpat was called Tirdad, the Iranian northwest region called Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) today would be called Tirdadakan.

If the Median general Atrpat was called Darius, the Iranian northwest region called Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) today would be called Dariusakan.

If the Median general Atrpat was called Xerxes, the Iranian northwest region called Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) today would be called Xerxesakan.

I don't know whether history would have gone the same course and a fake pan-Turkist state would have been counterfeited north of the Arax called Mihrdadakan/Tirdadakan/Dariusakan/Xerxesakan in 1918 or not, most probably it would.

Azarbaijan = Land of Atropat NOT Land of Fire. Capice?

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It's obvious that you didn't, or better said, you don't want to.