Our Identity

[Anoush]

Re: Our Identity

Mer Tebrotse

Mart cher gernar gazmel tebrots
M'aveli shen ou shekali
---- Qan an yev yes`
---- Hayr ou vorti:

Yes` ousoutsich, avantetsi.
Iper ashagerd` an arav mi'dk,
Sorvetsav qo'ts
Ir Hayoutyan vebn vosgeghnig:

Mer dseraqire tebrotsi
---- Iren patsi:
Ou barz` esi:
Arachin tas`
-- Ha'y es, degha's.
Tase yergrort, asor neman.
-- Toun hayreni'q
M'ounis, anoune` Hayasdan:
Meds mase kar: Veran sagayn
Khenchuyki bes segha'n me hort
---- Ganachoutyan:
Isg yerrort tase manavant`
-- Mesrobavant
Lezvit yeghir havadari'm
---- Minchev I mah:

---- Hima, qena'...


Jaques Hagopian

[KanadaHye]

Re: Our Identity

The world is changing, English is losing it's power and will lose more of it's power. New languages will come and it will be eastern languages. English is important right now but in 10 years who knows.

And for Armenia it's more important to know good Russian than English, cause Armenians go to Russia, there are people going there to work. Armenia right now hasn't much to do with the English world it will be important in the future maybe but no body knows so they'll need both but more Russian knowledge.

And I live in Belgium, knowing English here is normal but Russian if you know that you cn reach great heights in many companies.

Some big players are going to be China and India for sure... maybe even Brazil. So the more languages you can pick up, the better. Knowing Russian is an asset when you're living right next to the big bear.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Our Identity

Why is that? I think you need both ... ESPECIALLY English. Why? Because no matter where you go, people will understand you a little bit at least if you know English. Knowing Russian doesn't change much unless you plan on living in Russia or dealing with Russians.

Like I said above, I think it's good to have signs, billboards, etc. in Armenian, English, AND Russian ... but Armenian is a MUST. I think why is pretty clear to all of us.

The world is changing, English is losing it's power and will lose more of it's power. New languages will come and it will be eastern languages. English is important right now but in 10 years who knows.

And for Armenia it's more important to know good Russian than English, cause Armenians go to Russia, there are people going there to work. Armenia right now hasn't much to do with the English world it will be important in the future maybe but no body knows so they'll need both but more Russian knowledge.

And I live in Belgium, knowing English here is normal but Russian if you know that you cn reach great heights in many companies.

[Sako]

Re: Our Identity

Also a friend said it to me that he is ultra-traditional. That's a very good thing as well, as being traditional it makes you connect with your anscestors, their way of living and connecting more with them, your land and our long history of traditions and culture. And when you live in your land, to me it becomes as a second nature to connect with your traditions and anscestors; but first our children must learn their own language "their mother tongue", their own literature, their own traditions and by doing that they will automatically learn their own culture. Our beautiful and our vast culture and our language!

Very good points. I hope that ultra-traditionalism doesn't lead to fanaticism. Everything is good in good measure.

And if I must say it in here, that wise and young friend who talked about ultra-traditionalism is none other than jgk.

Good bless his soul !

Sorry that this off topic but;

I am in belief that this Forum needs a "Man of the year", and I choose jgk3 as the Man of the year!!!

How about it?

Why not?

Would that be for 2008? It's only May

We start now so that JGK DEFINITELY becomes the man of the year ^^ !

[Sako]

Re: Our Identity

Good for you Saco, good for you!!!

What's good for me, that I live here ? If so, I know what you mean ^^ !

That was EXACTLY my point when I have recently mentioned about this in another thread. I remember my aunt and uncle went to Armenian a couple of years ago and she told me this with unhappiness. She said the people in there are assymilated into Russianism than Armenianism.

Exactly. It's not bad to be close with the Russians and speak Russian but we have to remember a simple, important fact *The patriot holds his Armenian flag high up into the air*

... WE AREN'T RUSSIANS ... WE ARE ARMENIANS ...

You think the Russians use Armenian words in THEIR every day conversations? I very much doubt it. So why the hell are we using Russian words? We've got a sweeter and more complete language then them. Frankly speaking, they wish they could have a language like ours.

I remember when my family lived in the US (Houston to be exact), my dad once talked to a Mexican. He didn't know Mexican really well and when the guy realized this, he asked, "How long have you lived here?" and my dad honestly replied, "2 years already". The Mexican then asked, looking a bit upset, "2 YEARS and you don't know Mexican yet?" My dad walked closer to him and then asked a question of his own, "How long have YOU lived in the US?" The Mexican answered, "15 years". My dad then replied, "15 YEARS and you don't know English yet?" (He knew very little English)

You know what the Mexican replied arrogantly? "Why should I learn English ... YOU have to learn Mexican!"

Interesting, isn't it? I wish we had the same spirit. Our population, big or small, doesn't matter. We all have to be this way. We have to stay strong individually so we'll be able to become and REMAIN stronger as a nation.

You'd think our little Armenian country would implement Armenian at least in the schools.... geez where are our patrio Armenians in there and where are their logic???

People are tired Anoush jan. It's a difficult and confusing time. I think we can deal with these minor issues ourselves though if we wake up FINALLY! Our freakin alarm has been ringing for years...

I agree in schools and shops there must be signs in Armenian with that there could signs in English and Russian. I think we need the government making a draft and forcing schools and business to put up sings.

I know that the gov. is making newspapers print their news, articles, ads, etc. in proper Armenian. Whichever doesn't gets fined. I used to be the lead designer at a newspaper company here in Yerevan. That's how I know. Fines start from 20-30,000 Drams. $100 basically. Also, an Armenian newspaper didn't have the right to print Russian articles. Your entire newspaper had to be Russian or at least half of it to do that.

But we can't force people to stop using Russian words, I use the word most instead of kamurj. Kamurj sounds high class, for special occasions like when you are dinner with your boss or you are talking at a conference, but most is plain you use it between your friends. And it's better to have Russian than English words.

Why is that? I think you need both ... ESPECIALLY English. Why? Because no matter where you go, people will understand you a little bit at least if you know English. Knowing Russian doesn't change much unless you plan on living in Russia or dealing with Russians.

Like I said above, I think it's good to have signs, billboards, etc. in Armenian, English, AND Russian ... but Armenian is a MUST. I think why is pretty clear to all of us.

I know what you mean Saco, I in my opinion,
honestly think that the Armenains in Armenia are
still in the Soviet era mode, because to them that
lifestyle was good for them. After all Armenia has
really never gone through any good eras' of it's own.

It has but we can't remember them ! They were too long ago. In MANY respects, the Russian era helped us A LOT. It had many good sides but also MANY bad sides. Many Armenians, especially the older generations, haven't fully digested the fact that the Soviet era is over. I understand them. I mean, the USSR really affected our nation. Right now though, we have a nation of our own and we need to wake up. It's time to get on our feet. We have to learn to take care of ourselves. It's time to go to work...

BRAVO Saco!! Exactly! It all starts from the schools, from the learning institutions. Because that's where our offsprings will learn their first (Mother) tongue, this is where it will start!!!!

And I don't see it all starting really well... There aren't many good schools here. Hate to say this but it's true. My sister is graduating via the internet. It's a great college. You get your books sent to you (really good ones by the way), have your own private teacher, etc. It's really great and people of all ages learn. Believe it or not, students that graduate here learn more then students that go to school. You can pick whatever subjects you want (plus the primary subjects) to learn and the astounding part is that there are 64 in total. The best part is that the degree you get can be used no matter where you go.

Anyways, my point is, my sister stopped learning here in Yerevan. The school she went to was a complete bardak. Imagine seeing the teacher of a class crying on her table while the children scream and play around, throwing paper planes and fighting with each other, lol. My sister got a headache every day. There are a few good schools but overall, our schools need to become more serious and I can see some gradual improvement.

Right again! The people, yes the people can do a lot. They can get out literature, hold meetings with masses of people in present to make good changes in the country. Not to do radical things, but to start bit by bit changing it. As an example; that's how Henchagyans and Tashnagtsoutyoun started, by writings, by books, by literature, by songs, patriotic songs and so forth.

And we're starting with a site !

You should always remember why this isn't happening. Mardik irants ashkhatavartseru HAZIVEN stanum. Mnats helnen urish baner anen. You have to understand the people to help them and sometimes it really brings you down when you do. You feel really bad. We can change this though if we rise up against all this TOGETHER.

TOGETHER, TOGETHER, TOGETHER. Our people don't use that word a lot. We've always been working alone. It's time to work TOGETHER. It's about time.

In time it shall be changed to make the people more patriotic, more aware of staying Armenian at least in their own land!!!

Amen !

[KanadaHye]

Re: Our Identity

Sorry that this off topic but;

I am in belief that this Forum needs a "Man of the year", and I choose jgk3 as the Man of the year!!!

How about it?

Would that be for 2008? It's only May

[Anoush]

Re: Our Identity

Didn't mean to post it now.

[Anoush]

Re: Our Identity

Sorry that this off topic but;

I am in belief that this Forum needs a "Man of the year", and I choose jgk3 as the Man of the year!!!

How about it?

[Anoush]

Re: Our Identity

Also a friend said it to me that he is ultra-traditional. That's a very good thing as well, as being traditional it makes you connect with your anscestors, their way of living and connecting more with them, your land and our long history of traditions and culture. And when you live in your land, to me it becomes as a second nature to connect with your traditions and anscestors; but first our children must learn their own language "their mother tongue", their own literature, their own traditions and by doing that they will automatically learn their own culture. Our beautiful and our vast culture and our language!

And if I must say it in here, that wise and young friend who talked about ultra-traditionalism is none other than jgk.

[Anoush]

Re: Our Identity

[QUOTE=Saco;268733]I'm not saying let's eradicate everything Russian. I just don't think we as Armenians should live with this. Forget the stores, the menu's, and everything else. They are all secondary. It's the learning institutions we should be worrying about. That's what I'm worried about the most.

BRAVO Saco!! Exactly! It all starts from the schools, from the learning institutions. Because that's where our offsprings will learn their first (Mother) tongue, this is where it will start!!!!

This is just one example of how we're missing our identity. There are many, many others and it saddens me when we the people ignore them. In this particular case, it's us that need to pull ourselves together, not the gov. I'd love to see at least these minor issues get dealt with. It's not really difficult. Not necessarily overnight, but at least in the near future.

Right again! The people, yes the people can do a lot. They can get out literature, hold meetings with masses of people in present to make good changes in the country. Not to do radical changes, but to start bit by bit changing it and in time it shall happen. As an example; that's how Henchagyans and Tashnagtsoutyoun started, by writings, by books, by literature, by songs, patriotic songs and so forth. In time it shall be changed to make the people more patriotic, more aware of staying Armenian at least in their own land!!!