An example of Armenian-Turkish friendship

[Mos]

Re: An example of Armenian-Turkish friendship

Saying that Iranians and Armenians are brothers is ridiculous.

It's like saying that the Dutch and the Germans are brothers.

I can't believe that someone would think Armenians and Iranians are brothers, it just amazes me.... WOW.

How about you prove your points, instead of posting complete BS. Btw, the Dutch speak a Germanic language, but Armenian is not an Iranian language, so your analogy does not work.

I know right.....I think Azar just has an identity crisis, he wishes he wasn't Persian, and thus says they are brothers of Armenians in order to feel better about his identity

First of all there's not term "brother" for ethnic groups, it's ethnic cousins. And the ethnic cousins for Iranians especially in the North is the Azeris. Iranians have much more similarity to Azeris than anybody else. The Iranians in the South, have a lot of Arab blood so probably Arabs are their ethnic cousins.

As for Armenians, our only ethnic cousins are the Hemshin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemshinlis). See azar, that's our ethnic cousins, not Persians. And I know actually many Persians, (some of my closest friends are Persian) and you're the only one to say such a ridiculous thing...

[Azar]

Re: An example of Armenian-Turkish friendship

Why would I want to be Armenian and why would you want to be Persian? I'm proud of who I am, love for the other peoples of the region does not mean you wish to be 'like them' or other nonsense. I hope the Iranic peoples can drop their feelings of ethnic isolation. I consider Armenians of partial Iranic descend.

It's cool you had to rely on a personal attack though. Also, the Southern Iranians are not ethnic cousins of Semites, Iranians in the South have no more than 20% Semitic DNA.

Prove that you are not of partial Iranic descent, please, prove that, don't go off on a tangent or make another filthy attack against me or my race.

[Mos]

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Why would I want to be Armenian and why would you want to be Persian? I'm proud of who I am, love for the other peoples of the region does not mean you wish to be 'like them' or other nonsense. I hope the Iranic peoples can drop their feelings of ethnic isolation. I consider Armenians of partial Iranic descend.

It's cool you had to rely on a personal attack though. Also, the Southern Iranians are not ethnic cousins of Semites, Iranians in the South have no more than 20% Semitic DNA.

Prove that you are not of partial Iranic descent, please, prove that, don't go off on a tangent or make another filthy attack against me or my race.

I've already posted that site a million times. Is genetics not good enough for you?? Armenians are not of Iranian decent, and it's ridiculous to think so. And why do you think you know better than Armenians what we are and aren't??

I hate people always trying to label Armenians. Armenians are Armenians, native Caucasians and native to the Armenian highland. End of story.

[Eddo211]

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How? Persian women are not allowed to marry non-Muslim men...Muslim women in general aren't allowed, and theirs harsh consequences for it, especially in Persian society.

Sure they do......in fact they date long before marriage and its not arranged.

I think you are confusing Iranians with Arabs. Also in case anybody is wondering there are more atheists in Iran than there are in Armenia and Diaspora per percentage (most Iranis are still found of Zoroastrian but don't practice it) and they still blame the Arabs (considered their mortal enemy) for forcing Islam on them.
Also remember that Iran (even the ancient Persia) was/is a very multi-ethnic nation where every recognized minority can be a proud Iranian.

With that said, in today’s Islamic republic of Iran, most religious Iranis would advise not to marry a Christian but it is not punished or denied and there is no requirement for any of them to convert their religion after such a marriage. In fact I know of many Iranis coming to Armenian churches to convert, mostly of Turkish origin believe it or not.

Armenians have in common more with their Iranian "brothers" than any other nation. This doesn’t mean that we are of same blood, but if it comes to spilling blood we back each other up to the end, like true brothers who are in no doubt about their own unique identity and don’t forget the past. There is a reason why one of the smallest ethnic groups in Iran has representatives in this Islamic government. You see how both countries leaders treat each other compared to others. You don't have to search to long in history to find evidence.

Yeprem Khan Davidian (Armenian: Եփրեմ Խան, Եփրեմ Դավթյան, Farsi: یپرمخان داویدیان), also Yefrem Khan, (1868-1912) was an Armenian revolutionary leader and national hero of Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeprem_Khan

[Eddo211]

Re: An example of Armenian-Turkish friendship

Areh baradar man yek kam Farsi mitunam harfs bezanam.

>>Afarin, vali ageh to vaghean Irani hasti k bayad bedouni vaghty ma migim baradar manzouremoun baradareh ghoon k nist, to zabaneh farsi yek maniyeh maghsooseh ghodesho dareh k ma Armaniya nadarim.....mefahmi chi migam dadashieh man?<<

Very good, but if you are really an Iranian then you should already know that when we say brothers we don’t mean that literally and we know inside what that term really stands for....you get what I am talking about brotherman?

[Mos]

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Sure they do......in fact they date long before marriage and its not arranged.

I think you are confusing Iranians with Arabs. Also in case anybody is wondering there are more atheists in Iran than there are in Armenia and Diaspora per percentage (most Iranis are still found of Zoroastrian but don't practice it) and they still blame the Arabs (considered their mortal enemy) for forcing Islam on them.
Also remember that Iran (even the ancient Persia) was/is a very multi-ethnic nation where every recognized minority can be a proud Iranian.

With that said, in today’s Islamic republic of Iran, most religious Iranis would advise not to marry a Christian but it is not punished or denied and there is no requirement for any of them to convert their religion after such a marriage. In fact I know of many Iranis coming to Armenian churches to convert, mostly of Turkish origin believe it or not.

Armenians have in common more with their Iranian "brothers" than any other nation. This doesn’t mean that we are of same blood, but if it comes to spilling blood we back each other up to the end, like true brothers who are in no doubt about their own unique identity and don’t forget the past. There is a reason why one of the smallest ethnic groups in Iran has representatives in this Islamic government. You see how both countries leaders treat each other compared to others. You don't have to search to long in history to find evidence.

Yeprem Khan Davidian (Armenian: Եփրեմ Խան, Եփրեմ Դավթյան, Farsi: یپرمخان داویدیان), also Yefrem Khan, (1868-1912) was an Armenian revolutionary leader and national hero of Iran.

What Azar is saying is that Armenians are of Iranian decent which is not true at all. Second of all it's natural there will be some famous Armenians in Iran because many Armenians fled to Iran because of Genocide, and being treated well by the Iranians is not relevant, Armenians may very well been treated in such a manner by the Chinese.

I hate when people say this nation or this ethnic group is Armenia's brothers. This is very silly we don't have brothers. The only people close to brothers are the Hemshin people which are of Armenian descent. Iranians are not our brothers, they may be our friends, but not our brothers.

Lastly, we have our unique culture, language, and religion, and we do share some similarities with our Caucasian neighbours when it comes to culture as we are native to the Caucasus region, but in all we are Armenians and should not be associated with other ethnic groups.

[Eddo211]

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What Azar is saying is that Armenians are of Iranian decent which is not true at all. Second of all it's natural there will be some famous Armenians in Iran because many Armenians fled to Iran because of Genocide, and being treated well by the Iranians is not relevant, Armenians may very well been treated in such a manner by the Chinese.

I hate when people say this nation or this ethnic group is Armenia's brothers. This is very silly we don't have brothers. The only people close to brothers are the Hemshin people which are of Armenian descent. Iranians are not our brothers, they may be our friends, but not our brothers.

Lastly, we have our unique culture, language, and religion, and we do share some similarities with our Caucasian neighbours when it comes to culture as we are native to the Caucasus region, but in all we are Armenians and should not be associated with other ethnic groups.

Did you read my post? You (and Azar) don’t seem to understand what it really means when Iranians call us brothers. It has nothing to do with ethicity......it has to do with friendship, but it is more than just that.

[Mos]

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Did you read my post? You (and Azar) don’t seem to understand what it really means when Iranians call us brothers. It has nothing to do with ethicity......it has to do with friendship, but it is more than just that.

Maybe to Iranian-Armenians, Iranians are "brothers" but not to armenians from armenia, to us Iranians are just economic friends nothing more.

[Eddo211]

Re: An example of Armenian-Turkish friendship

Maybe to Iranian-Armenians, Iranians are "brothers" but not to armenians from armenia, to us Iranians are just economic friends nothing more.

You should also know that this brotherhood is not at individual level and you gotta hold your own grounds with Iranians, in your case the ones you see making trouble when partying in Armenia.

[Mos]

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You should also know that this brotherhood is not at individual level and you gotta hold your own grounds with Iranians, in your case the ones you see making trouble when partying in Armenia.

I'm fine with Iranians, they're nice people, I just don't think they are our brothers and it's just silly to think anybody are our brothers, even in friendship. Probably for Iranian-Armenians, but I know for a fact there is no brotherly friendship between Armenia's Armenians; there just simply isn't. We don't think bad of them, we're just neutral regarding them as simple as that.

Iran as a country is a good country for us economically, though I despise the human rights violations and the theocracy in the end of the day we are good economic partners with them. That doesn't make us brothers either, just makes us solid trading partners.

Any Armenian from Armenia will trust ex-Soviet people over any other people, just because we all have for a few generations grown up in this Soviet culture with which we all can identity. It's in a way a dual culture to an extent even today. My father for example spoke more Russian at home than Armenian when growing up, and received his education in Russian all throughout.

So maybe western armenians see this close friendship with Iranians, but not eastern armenians. truthfully they are just neutral for us, nothing bad, just not close friends. And I see this firsthand when sometimes translating for Iranians in Armenia, and seeing how our Armenians deal with them. It's not as brothers, or close friends, it's just a respectable but neutral relationship. Nothing much in common to talk about or relate to, just the business of tourism.