Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

[Sip]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Ok, let's just say you're full of sh!t and leave it at that.

Is that really the best you can do when someone asks you what you mean?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

There are many kinds of "western women". As much as some like to put down feminism, it has had good and bad effects: The good is that now there are independent women that have earning power and don't need a man to survive. The "bad" is that the traditional marriage thing that so many old-timers like to cling to just doesn't work anymore. People get together, go their separate ways, have a lot more freedom and less need to commit. This isn't necessarily bad unless there are kids involved.

But "western" girls are MUCH less dependent on their men's money than the traditional girls that depended on the man's money 100%.

The problem is that men are directly competing with women for salary so 2 people working now have the same or less buying power than 1 person had before. The reason I say less buying power is because they both spend a lot of their income to travel to work and back yet no body is home to keep tabs on home economics. It's basically become a fully automated system where you can take money out of the system and it wouldn't make a difference.

Ok, let's just say you're full of sh!t and leave it at that.
P.S. Most of the goodies that women are used to came after the 1960s.

Women flocked to America for washing machines

[KanadaHye]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Yah! All of a sudden when women have all these goodies in the US he wants to call them "traditional"! 1960s is far from traditional. A lot of women in other "traditional" countries don't even have what women in US had in 1960s!!! (e.g. a lot of the arab/muslim countries today who seem to still be 300 years or so behind the rest of the western world)

Those same countries were ahead at some point.... that's a rather weak argument. 8% of Americans had plumbing in the early 1900's.... pretty sad considering the ancients had a pretty well designed water disbursement systems in place. 1900 years to figure out indoor plumbing....

[levon]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Where did 1960 come from? Why are you so hung up on 1960s? What is the point of me "proving" these things? I am very very confused. The entire argument is over what "traditional" wife means. What do you mean by "traditional wife"?

Ok, let's just say you're full of sh!t and leave it at that.
P.S. Most of the goodies that women are used to came after the 1960s.

[levon]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Probability says you're likely an ass-kissing wimp as well.

Damn, you're accusing me of specifically targeting you, yet you do the same thing. I am what I am, and I don't give two sh!ts about what you think I am. And, last of all, you are but a woman. I don't give a sh!t about what you think.

Women don't and haven't wanted to take away men's rights. They just want equal rights!

Sure, women want the right to say a guy raped her just to get back at him. Them, after 6 months (after he gets raped in jail) they'll tell the cops that she was lying. But, they don't want to be held responsibly for destroying the guys life, since they want equal rights.
I mean, they want equal chance at being a fire-fighter so standards should be lowered to allow more women in.
They want, they want, they want. It's not about equality, it's about wants.

Do you know why you are a feminists? It's because your rhetoric, your reason and your conclusions are based on feelings.

[Sip]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

You can't just arbitrarily say that the feminist movement began in 1960. It's much older than that.

Yah! All of a sudden when women have all these goodies in the US he wants to call them "traditional"! 1960s is far from traditional. A lot of women in other "traditional" countries don't even have what women in US had in 1960s!!! (e.g. a lot of the arab/muslim countries today who seem to still be 300 years or so behind the rest of the western world)

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Don't be a smart-ass. Prove the points, or stay silent (and prove that you have no idea what you're talking about).

Prove for me please, the following. But first, lets define a few terms.

Traditional woman = any woman in the US prior to the hit of mainstream feminism. Meaning, any woman before 1960s

So, prove that

1) Women prior to 1960 couldn't vote
2) Women prior to 1960 couldn't hold property
3) Women prior to 1960 didn't have any freedoms
4) Women prior to 1960 couldn't pursue their interests

Now, be sure to be accurate in your conclusions. Make sure not to compare an average woman to a well off man. If you're making any assertions about a middle class woman, then they should be in comparison to a middle class man. Similarly, when discussing a lower class woman, it should be in comparison to a lower class male, and finally when discussing an upper class woman make sure it's in comparison to an upper class man.

Now, to make things even better, please make sure to discuss 1-4) for each of the following: lower class women, middle class women and upper class women.

....Go.

You can't just arbitrarily say that the feminist movement began in 1960. It's much older than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-wave_feminism

In 1860, New York passed a revised Married Women's Property Act which gave women shared ownership of their children, allowing them to have a say in their children's wills, wages, and granting them the right to inherit property.[

Whereas first-wave feminism focused mainly on overturning legal obstacles to equality (i.e. voting rights, property rights), second-wave feminism addressed a wide range of issues: de facto inequalities, official legal inequalities, sexuality, family, the workplace, and, perhaps most controversially, reproductive rights.[1] It also tried and failed to add the Equal Rights Amendment to the United States Constitution. Many feminists view the second-wave feminist era as ending with the intra-feminism disputes of the Feminist Sex Wars, over issues such as sexuality and pornography

[Sip]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Where did 1960 come from? Why are you so hung up on 1960s? What is the point of me "proving" these things? I am very very confused. The entire argument is over what "traditional" wife means. What do you mean by "traditional wife"?

[Siggie]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

No, ass-kissing wimps are ass-kissing wimps, and they make up most of the western world. That is the reason western men have given up all the rights they used to have.

Since we're not cooperating and defining terms and just taking your word as fact, I won't ask again that you explain.

Probability says you're likely an ass-kissing wimp as well.

Women don't and haven't wanted to take away men's rights. They just want equal rights!

You know, though you claim otherwise, your responses scream feminist. Traditional families have rules that are meant to be followed by the husband and the wife. When a woman comes into a mans family through marriage, she is expected to follow the family's rules. That is what it means to behave as seen fit.
You accuse me of thinking in black and white, yet all you can see is "traditional woman = property=bad."

No, that's not the only thing, but I'm sure I can elaborate once you define what you mean by "traditional woman."

Hmm, that would imply that half the women in the US don't marry for the right reasons, and/or don't know their spouse well enough, especially since women initiate most divorces.

It takes two people to get married, so that would imply that half of men and women don't get it right.

yep, two jobs, kids, stress, divorce

How do kids and stress only apply in the "modern" example?
I guess all the happily wed people have no stress in their lives or children?

[levon]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Wait I am confused? So you think women should be able to have property, should be able to vote, and should have freedoms? When you say "traditional" wife, are you thinking a wife that can vote, have property, and have a legal standing like any other person (man) in society? I guess I am not clear on what you mean by "traditional wife" then.

Don't be a smart-ass. Prove the points, or stay silent (and prove that you have no idea what you're talking about).

Prove for me please, the following. But first, lets define a few terms.

Traditional woman = any woman in the US prior to the hit of mainstream feminism. Meaning, any woman before 1960s

So, prove that

1) Women prior to 1960 couldn't vote
2) Women prior to 1960 couldn't hold property
3) Women prior to 1960 didn't have any freedoms
4) Women prior to 1960 couldn't pursue their interests

Now, be sure to be accurate in your conclusions. Make sure not to compare an average woman to a well off man. If you're making any assertions about a middle class woman, then they should be in comparison to a middle class man. Similarly, when discussing a lower class woman, it should be in comparison to a lower class male, and finally when discussing an upper class woman make sure it's in comparison to an upper class man.

Now, to make things even better, please make sure to discuss 1-4) for each of the following: lower class women, middle class women and upper class women.

....Go.