What if Armenians were Muslim?

[Mher]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I have a hard time understanding this......once Islamified how can they be Armenian?
They are Armenians who changed their religion so they can live better in Islamic states.

The Islamified Armenians are a different story. The conditions in which that process took place is so unreal that its incomparable to anything occurring under normal conditions. It was mainly people doing it under threat of death, woman being raped and taken in by force, or children being kidnapped and raised as muslims.

Armenians accepting them is completely different than accepting those who have randomly decided to change religions. I'm not particularly religious, but I think its fair to say that if someone changed their religion to Islam or Judaism, its unlikely they are going to have much affinity for the rest of their identity: the Armenian part. Of course there's always exceptions, but it only seems logical that almost all would not value their Armenian identity very much.


I would go a step further and say its absolutely logical that being non Armenian Apostolic Christian- Protestant or Catholic- makes you less likely to identify with the Armenian cause. Simply because if you bother to go to church, in an Armenian Apostolic Church, Armenia, Armenian issues, and and the Armenian Cause are a regular part of service. Even on a more basic level, your religious identity identifies you as an Armenian. This naturally makes you more likely to support the Armenian cause.


But more importantly, one of the key differences between us and the Assyrians, who are painfully one or two generations away from becoming just a historic term, is that the Assyrians fractured into several churches, and languages, and so forth, while despite our bickering among ourselves, we've managed to stick together for the most part.

[Shant03]

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Armenians are christian, you cannot be one without the other. If you're muslim, what is stopping you from marrying a turk or azeri? Exactly, at that point just do everyone a favor and gtfo. I'm not anti-muslim, but I would accept a Kardashian before I would a muslim Armenian. I'm sure there are more liberal armenians who are more accepting, being from Iran I am not one of them and don't share their enthusiasm.

[haydavid]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

So much bullxxxx.
some of you guys seriously need to go outside and see the true world
so sad people

[argin]

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Armenians are christian, you cannot be one without the other. If you're muslim, what is stopping you from marrying a turk or azeri? Exactly, at that point just do everyone a favor and gtfo. I'm not anti-muslim, but I would accept a Kardashian before I would a muslim Armenian. I'm sure there are more liberal armenians who are more accepting, being from Iran I am not one of them and don't share their enthusiasm.

Your point is widely accepted,in Iran if any Armenian,specially woman changed religion or ran away with a Muslim is then kiked out of the church and is denied by the family as a part of it and they can't be identified as Armenian,in some cases it been that the family goes after and kills their kin to preserve their reputation lol

[Haykakan]

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"Armenians are christian, you cannot be one without the other. "
This is where you and most other Armenians are dead wrong! When we were peagans were we not Armenians then? You do not understand that we are far older then chrystianity itself. As a matter of fact our glory years happened before we adopted chrystianty and we have been going downhill since we did. Sometimes facts smack you hard in the face if you are ignorant of them.

[Shant03]

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"Armenians are christian, you cannot be one without the other. "
This is where you and most other Armenians are dead wrong! When we were peagans were we not Armenians then? You do not understand that we are far older then chrystianity itself. As a matter of fact our glory years happened before we adopted chrystianty and we have been going downhill since we did. Sometimes facts smack you hard in the face if you are ignorant of them.

My family for the most part shares your perspective and feel Christianity is what screwed us over as people. However when you look at all the modern day religions, Christianity shares a lot with paganism and is the closest related. So it isn't like we did a complete 180. Now, the purpose of my quote of armenians are christians, you can't have one without the other, is because we have been christian for 1700 years. Therefore, the two have been mixed together like a nice martini, so at this point you cannot have one without the other. Being Armenian means being christian, hema you don't have to hold a cross up when turks are attacking, but don't ignore whats been part of our culture all this time.

[Spetsnaz]

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So much bullxxxx.
some of you guys seriously need to go outside and see the true world
so sad people

FYI.. Armenians who were obliged to convert to Muslim in Turkey nowadays are going back to Armenia and are being baptised to return back to Christianity. I'm not anti Muslim considering the fact that right now im living in a Muslim country. But u have no Idea what it means to marry a Muslim to a Christian girl or a boy. (Well let me elaborate what I mean) for a guy to marries a girl. He is always persecuted by her relatives. What abt a girl who marries a Muslim boy. She has to forget everything related to Christianity. 1st rule our sons name is either Mohammed Yusef or Ali or else. Anw just saying. Ur free to marry a Muslim.

[Ak105]

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"Armenians are christian, you cannot be one without the other. "
This is where you and most other Armenians are dead wrong! When we were peagans were we not Armenians then? You do not understand that we are far older then chrystianity itself. As a matter of fact our glory years happened before we adopted chrystianty and we have been going downhill since we did. Sometimes facts smack you hard in the face if you are ignorant of them.

are you an atheist?

[Hakob]

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Armenians are christian, you cannot be one without the other. If you're muslim, what is stopping you from marrying a turk or azeri? Exactly, at that point just do everyone a favor and gtfo. I'm not anti-muslim, but I would accept a nigger loving Kardashian before I would a muslim Armenian. I'm sure there are more liberal armenians who are more accepting, being from Iran I am not one of them and don't share their enthusiasm.

If a person is Armenian by heart and feels pride in himself and loves his nation, then he will try to marry within his nationality. Does not matter if he is a Muslim.
There is another thing going right now. There are a lot of Muslims in turkey and around who think they have Armenian roots and want to go to that root.
If they convert to Christianity or not, we should embrace them with open hearts.
What you are talking is based on religion and that idea has hurt us so much.
In 17 th century, in Poland we lost about half a million Armenians because the our patriarch there Nerses (whom our church named Nerses Nzovial decided to convert to Catholicism.
Our church excommunicated all of that diaspora community, which only fastened their loss of identity.
Today, there are poles doing some Catholic prayers in Armenian (without understanding) but don't call them self Armenian.
Muslim or not. If a Guy feels asArmenian as I am and wants to keep it that way is my brother also.
Maybe he will convert or not, does not matter.
If religion helped us to keep our identity from mixing with other nationalities in diaspora good.
But in my Armenia it does not matter.
I am very much against the other religions and cults. Especially the cults I hate the most. But I will not throw any Armenian off the basket because of that.
We need them all. Better if all is apostolic Christian like I, but not enough to loose them.

[Haykakan]

Re: What if Armenians were Muslim?

I agree with Hakob as to my own faith I do not see how it is anyone's business other then mine. Sure we have been Chrystians for a long time but we were pegans for even longer so like where does that logic lead? You can believe whichever fairytale you like but if you feel yourself as an Armenian then that is good enough for me.