Current Condition of Armenia

[Mos]

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In US you cursing or verbally assaulting policeman will get you in trouble and can get you arrested, but in Europe for example you can verbal attack police all you want they won't do anything - at least they are not allowed to. I experienced that first hand.

The police in that video knew there was camera there, so they wouldn't do anything stupid, but as I say when it's behind close doors at the police stations, they can do some bad things, I've heard many stories of this.

[Armanen]

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In US you cursing or verbally assaulting policeman will get you in trouble and can get you arrested, but in Europe for example you can verbal attack police all you want they won't do anything - at least they are not allowed to. I experienced that first hand.

The police in that video knew there was camera there, so they wouldn't do anything stupid, but as I say when it's behind close doors at the police stations, they can do some bad things, I've heard many stories of this.

I am sure they can. But that idiot man wouldn't be behind bars and maybe even getting beat if he had not been acting like a lunatic.

I feel like as long as you do not get in a cops face and say dumb things, that from a distance, say 10 feet or more you should be able to say whatever you wish, granted you are not making a scene in a place that has noise or disturbance laws. In that case perhaps no bad language or shouting. But to get as close as that man did and for that period of time, to shout like that, and then spit, that is not ok and if he gets smacked around then so be it.

[Siggie]

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I feel like as long as you do not get in a cops face and say dumb things, that from a distance, say 10 feet or more you should be able to say whatever you wish, granted you are not making a scene in a place that has noise or disturbance laws. In that case perhaps no bad language or shouting.

What if what you're saying at that distance can incite people to violence or chaos? I think it's these sort of scenarios that make people ready to give up free speech rights.

[KanadaHye]

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What if what you're saying at that distance can incite people to violence or chaos?

The cop should remember that he's a public servant meaning as a tax payer, he's your b!tch, not your ruler. As long as there are no physical threats, police should be trained to absorb verbal tantrums.

[Siggie]

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The cop should remember that he's a public servant meaning as a tax payer, he's your b!tch, not your ruler. As long as there are no physical threats, police should be trained to absorb verbal tantrums.

I meant more like if the verbal assault is going to catch support or lead to some sort of frenzy. To play devil's advocate though, one could argue that precisely because he's a public servant, he should do something because such behavior could endanger others.
I agree with you mostly, but for different reasons. I don't think they should take a lot of it because they're public servants per se, but because we have a first amendment right (in the US that is) and trying to restrict it leads to these impossible gray areas.

[Federate]

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aftermath...

This is from the protest on the banning of street vendors and holy f*ck i'm surprised he kept his cool for as long as he did.

[KanadaHye]

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I meant more like if the verbal assault is going to catch support or lead to some sort of frenzy. To play devil's advocate though, one could argue that precisely because he's a public servant, he should do something because such behavior could endanger others.
I agree with you mostly, but for different reasons. I don't think they should take a lot of it because they're public servants per se, but because we have a first amendment right (in the US that is) and trying to restrict it leads to these impossible gray areas.

I'm not referring to this video but in general like Mos said, cops in Europe exercise restraint in the public. Canada used to be the same but now there are a lot more cops on payroll. It seems cops around the world are on some sort of power trip. If citizens don't begin exercising their civil rights, the world could just evolve into one giant police state.

[Siggie]

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I'm not referring to this video but in general like Mos said, cops in Europe exercise restraint in the public. Canada used to be the same but now there are a lot more cops on payroll. It seems cops around the world are on some sort of power trip. Unless citizens don't begin exercising their civil rights, the world could just evolve into one giant police state.

I don't know about changes in the police force, but I agree with you that we need to preserve our civil rights. It enrages me to no end when I see people ready to give up their freedom of speech because they don't want to be offended by someone's speech.

[levon]

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I don't know about changes in the police force, but I agree with you that we need to preserve our civil rights. It enrages me to no end when I see people ready to give up their freedom of speech because they don't want to be offended by someone's speech.

That's called political correctness. The most bs thing ever thought up. A way to curb everyone's free-speech by coming up with endless things that can be offending.

[londontsi]

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In US you cursing or verbally assaulting policeman will get you in trouble and can get you arrested, but in Europe for example you can verbal attack police all you want they won't do anything - at least they are not allowed to. I experienced that first hand.

That’s not quite true in the UK

There is a condition where the police will worn you “you are disturbing the peace”.
You will be warned “if you continue you will be arrested”.

If despite the warning you continue, you will be arrested.

In a demonstration things will probably be a bit different because of numbers involved.

This guy clearly had gone well beyond acceptable behaviour.