Current Condition of Armenia

[Federate]

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and talking about how quickly alliances can crumble:

Meh. Israel is still selling the Turks UAV drones under the whole drama.

[Mos]

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There's more than that actually. Tons of Syrian and Lebanese Armenians work in Dubai as engineers and in banking. I assume there is a Hayastantsi presence there now too because of all the newly established flights to Dubai (and for the right reasons). Internationally wanted criminal Vano Siradeghyan is reportedly hiding in Dubai too .

Well I was referring more to the armenian sex workers there that are forced to work.

BTW, about Jordan. They are making a lot of deals with Azerbaijan these days so I think we can safely say "f*ck Jordan" for now

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Honestly I won't be surprised if all countries make deals with Azerbaijan. Answer this question. You are a some country who has not particular attachment to either Azerbaijan or Armenia. Now Azeris have oil, gas, access to caspian sea, while Armenians don't. Won't you try to get on Azeris' good side instead of Armenians'?

No, Albania doesn't support us (at least publicly) for a few reasons. They use the argument internationally that Kosovo is an independent state and not part of Albania so it is not their affairs. Then they claim that Kosovo is a unique case in the world which is an argument that is spewed by the NATO butchers constantly. And finally, they don't want to upset relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan. The last point briefly took a hit a few years back with the Albanian arms shipment and I think things are going to get worse with Azerbaijan voting pro-Serbia in the UN these days. None of this is an excuse of course, just explaining why I think they do not support Armenia publicly.

I see, they have asked us a few times to recognise Kosovo also. Even if our political goals don't exactly align, we are still much closer with Greece-Serbia-Cyprus than Albania. Especially with Cyprus and Greece - our historic friends which we should always remain close with. I think we should intensify our military cooperation with Greece and Cyprus.

Meh. Israel is still selling the Turks UAV drones under the whole drama.

Maybe so, but Israelis now hate Turkey, and Turks hate Israel back, and I doubt relations will ever get better. Just an example of how quickly an alliance can crumble. I believe in a short amount of time, Israel will stop even selling such drones.

[Federate]

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Honestly I won't be surprised if all countries make deals with Azerbaijan. Answer this question. You are a some country who has not particular attachment to either Azerbaijan or Armenia. Now Azeris have oil, gas, access to caspian sea, while Armenians don't. Won't you try to get on Azeris' good side instead of Armenians'?

You try to milk both countries as much as you can. You declare that negotiations must take place to solve the NK conflict peacefully. Every now and then, an ambassador of your country to Azerbaijan makes a pro-Azeri statement and every now and then, an ambassador to your country to Armenia makes a pro-Armenia statement. Both sides are satisfied now and then, without your highest ranking official taking a side and therefore maximising your gain from both countries. An exception to the above strategy is Pakistan yet despite their hardline stance, there is no indication that their material gain from Azerbaijan is more than any other country doing business with it.

I think being on one's good side doesn't necessarily mean you have to be on bad terms with the other. Azeris will gladly sell you oil as long as you are not pro-Armenian per se.

I see, they have asked us a few times to recognise Kosovo also. Even if our political goals don't exactly align, we are still much closer with Greece-Serbia-Cyprus than Albania. Especially with Cyprus and Greece - our historic friends which we should always remain close with. I think we should intensify our military cooperation with Greece and Cyprus.

Համաձայն եմ։ Հատկապես Հունասնտանի հետ պետք է ռազմական փորձեր անենք։

Maybe so, but Israelis now hate Turkey, and Turks hate Israel back, and I doubt relations will ever get better. Just an example of how quickly an alliance can crumble. I believe in a short amount of time, Israel will stop even selling such drones.

I'd say majority of Turks have always hated Israel. Their leadership does not reflect their society's views. Majority of Turks dislike USA as well.

[gegev]

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Well I take issue because first off I don't sympathise with the Nazis nor am I anti-Semitic or an Islamaphobe.

Do you know why the Pakistani Minister of Minorities was killed recently?
If yes: why are you that neutral/fond of Islam?

http://www.dawn.com/2011/03/02/minorities-minister-attacked-in-islamabad.html

SLAMABAD: Gunmen shot and killed Pakistan’s government minister for religious minorities on Wednesday, the latest attack on a high-profile Pakistani figure who had urged reforming harsh blasphemy laws that impose the death penalty for insulting Islam.

They kill the insulter by stoning. Do you love it?
Can you name any other religion that does it, too?

[Armanen]

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Well, I can understand them not wanting a Muslim immigrant overload, but I believe going and insulting Islam is going a bit to far. Same with some of their statements regarding Nazis which was over the line. Actually, when the right wing party formed a coalition with the main party, Israel and US recalled their ambassadors, and other EU countries refused to talk with any Austrian official. It was a rather big scandal.

Sometimes it is good to fight fire with fire.

Of course the us would take 'offense' and recall its ambassador, what ethnic lobby has Washington by the balls?

[Mos]

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I think being on one's good side doesn't necessarily mean you have to be on bad terms with the other. Azeris will gladly sell you oil as long as you are not pro-Armenian per se.

Yeah I guess so. Though, what would be the point in having good relations with us?

Համաձայն եմ։ Հատկապես Հունասնտանի հետ պետք է ռազմական փորձեր անենք։

Պետք է միշտ հիշենք հույների պատմությունը թուրքերի հետ ու դրանով մեր հարաբերություները ամրապնդենք: Կիպրոսի հետ էլ արժի ռազմական հարաբերություները զարգացնել. իրանք ավելի լարված են թուրքերի հետ:

I'd say majority of Turks have always hated Israel. Their leadership does not reflect their society's views. Majority of Turks dislike USA as well.

It's funny - the people of US's closest allies usually hate US.

Do you know why the Pakistani Minister of Minorities was killed recently?
If yes: why are you that neutral/fond of Islam?

I just don't think there should be generalisations made for Muslims. I know there are idiot, fanatical Muslims, but there are also decent Muslims. I am not very fond of the Islamic sharia law or the Islamic states, and several aspects of the Islamic ideology I find disturbing - but even with that I don't believe all Muslims are bad.

Sometimes it is good to fight fire with fire.

Of course the us would take 'offense' and recall its ambassador, what ethnic lobby has Washington by the balls?

Well last time I checked it's called "United States of Israel"

I hate the whole political correctness thing to, but when it comes to Nazis or genocides I think there is a fine limit there.

[gegev]

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I just don't think there should be generalisations made for Muslims. I know there are idiot, fanatical Muslims, but there are also decent Muslims. I am not very fond of the Islamic sharia law or the Islamic states, and several aspects of the Islamic ideology I find disturbing - but even with that I don't believe all Muslims are bad.

99% of Muslims read/learn the same Koran with the same Sharia laws, the difference is that some states don't allow implementing all the laws. Did you develop new/adjusted Koran for the good Muslims?

[Mos]

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99% of Muslims read/learn the same Koran with the same Sharia laws, the difference is that some states don't allow implementing all the laws. Did you develop new/adjusted Koran for the good Muslims?

It depends on how one interprets the Koran. The more moderate ones don't follow the Koran word by word, the danger lies in the extremist ones that interpret the Koran literally and apply it to all aspects of life. So 99% may read the same Koran, but that doesn't mean 99% interpret and use the Koran the same way.

[gegev]

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It depends on how one interprets the Koran. The more moderate ones don't follow the Koran word by word, the danger lies in the extremist ones that interpret the Koran literally and apply it to all aspects of life. So 99% may read the same Koran, but that doesn't mean 99% interpret and use the Koran the same way.

I love you interpretation. You could interpret stoning as a pleasant procedure; I'm ready to undergo stoning with your interpretation.

[Mos]

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I love you interpretation. You could interpret stoning as a pleasant procedure; I'm ready to undergo stoning with your interpretation.

I didn't say that such interpretation is correct. All I'm saying is that the moderates would reject something like stoning as a barbaric act, while the more faithful ones may not.

Are you familiar with Geert Wilders?