Are you okay with Gay Armenians?

[levon]

Re: Are you okay with Gay Armenians?

I'd like to understand something:
why is it that people who are not homosexual or bisexual speak about it as if they understood it?

And of course, as a gay homosexual male you are an expert on all things related to homosexual/bisexual males, as most discussion has revolved around gayness in males, not females.

To settle that matter, based off science: homosexual males who do not use protection are 44% more likely to get it than those who do use protection (not in the entire world population).

You're mixing your % with times. Gay men are 44 times more likely to contract HIV, regardless of whether they use protection or not. The statistics even indicate that they are 2 times more likely to use protection. Now, 44 times equal 4300% more likely, and 2 times means 100% more. So, to recap, gay men, who are 100% more likely to practice safe-sex, are still 4300% more likely to contract HIV.

Lastly, as Mos made multiple attempts to explain, you do not have to be practicing gay unprotected sex in order to contract HIV.

True, but those engaged in the gay life-style are 4400% more likely to contract HIV.

[Tali]

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I'm not going to read any of the last seven pages. But Tali, if your summing up of the discussion is correct, aren't you a bit actually guilty of the same core attitude you are criticising. Homosexuals are not a seperate species of human, so a claim that we "who are not homosexual or bisexual" can't have a valid opinion on the issue on the basis that we are not homossexual or bisexual is as wrong as those posters who (I expect) have been saying something like every homosexual is part of some vast evil-doing conspiracy intent on destroying the Armenian nation.

The first 4 pages were vastly different than the last 3 pages. There comes a point where discussion (first four pages) turns into random flinging of insults and vagrant lies (last 3 pages)

Straight people are perfectly able to hold a valid opinion, even a dislike or sheer hatred is a valid opinion. My intent was to focus on the aggression of such discussions. I was amused because wildly wrong notions were spurring more and more anger - thus more heated means of expression (namely, insults).

[gegev]

Re: Are you okay with Gay Armenians?

Armenian population consider gay as sick, abnormal people and usually ovoid having any contact with them, otherwise you will be treated the same way.

I think these cases should remain under doctors jurisdiction, politicians have nothing to do with it. Manifesting that gays/sick should have “democratic” right to remain sick is nonsense.

This is the attitude of Armenians living in Armenia towards the gay and alike, whether you like it or not. Majority opinion.

Majority isn't always right. In the past centuries, the majority of Europeans blamed the plague epidemics on people called "untori" - often xxxs, Gypsies and the local weirdos - does that mean that it was the truth?

The gay and alike, are eager, in need, to discuss this subject with the MAJORITY; because they need to talk about it to hundreds/thousands of them; to find out someone who agrees having sex with them. And the Internet is a very convenient place for that.

Regardless the fact that the discussion is disgustful for majority of the MAJORITY, they keep talking about the subject, ... their “rights” until ... convincing someone to ...

Isn’t this called MJORITY harassment?

Thus in fact they want someone out of the MJORITY to harass; when they are talking about their “rights”.

Talking about "democracy" & “rights” serves as a tool; that makes MAJORITY HARASSMENT legal for them.

Any comments?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are you okay with Gay Armenians?

I'm not going to read any of the last seven pages. But Tali, if your summing up of the discussion is correct, aren't you a bit actually guilty of the same core attitude you are criticising. Homosexuals are not a seperate species of human, so a claim that we "who are not homosexual or bisexual" can't have a valid opinion on the issue on the basis that we are not homossexual or bisexual is as wrong as those posters who (I expect) have been saying something like every homosexual is part of some vast evil-doing conspiracy intent on destroying the Armenian nation.

Nope. They are different. They deserve special rights. Therefore, the world has to change to accommodate the aliens.

Oh I forgot.

YOU are NOT Armenian, so you can't have a valid opinion on issues involving the Armenian nation. Even though as an outsider, you understand some Armenians better than some Armenians understand themselves, lol.

[bell-the-cat]

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I'd like to understand something:
why is it that people who are not homosexual or bisexual speak about it as if they understood it?

I thoroughly enjoyed these last 3 pages of debate. There was a lot of random insulting as well over something as trivial as HIV vs AIDS. To settle that matter, based off science: homosexual males who do not use protection are 44% more likely to get it than those who do use protection (not in the entire world population). Further, AIDS is a development of HIV. Lastly, as Mos made multiple attempts to explain, you do not have to be practicing gay unprotected sex in order to contract HIV.

Also, why do you guys have to be so aggressive with your view points towards each other? It's okay to admit you do not understand gay people. It's okay to admit you are being judgmental of people without knowing them on a personal level. This is why I tried very hard (and only slipped two times against Gegev) not to be insulting back.

It has been explained to me that Armenian males are argumentative by nature. That's understable. What I don't understand is why you guys will really rip into each other, especially when I could disprove all your saying by the fact that you simply do not know about homosexuals/bisexuals.

I'm not going to read any of the last seven pages. But Tali, if your summing up of the discussion is correct, aren't you a bit actually guilty of the same core attitude you are criticising. Homosexuals are not a seperate species of human, so a claim that we "who are not homosexual or bisexual" can't have a valid opinion on the issue on the basis that we are not homossexual or bisexual is as wrong as those posters who (I expect) have been saying something like every homosexual is part of some vast evil-doing conspiracy intent on destroying the Armenian nation.

[Tali]

Re: Are you okay with Gay Armenians?

I'd like to understand something:
why is it that people who are not homosexual or bisexual speak about it as if they understood it?

I thoroughly enjoyed these last 3 pages of debate. There was a lot of random insulting as well over something as trivial as HIV vs AIDS. To settle that matter, based off science: homosexual males who do not use protection are 44% more likely to get it than those who do use protection (not in the entire world population). Further, AIDS is a development of HIV. Lastly, as Mos made multiple attempts to explain, you do not have to be practicing gay unprotected sex in order to contract HIV.

Also, why do you guys have to be so aggressive with your view points towards each other? It's okay to admit you do not understand gay people. It's okay to admit you are being judgmental of people without knowing them on a personal level. This is why I tried very hard (and only slipped two times against Gegev) not to be insulting back.

It has been explained to me that Armenian males are argumentative by nature. That's understable. What I don't understand is why you guys will really rip into each other, especially when I could disprove all your saying by the fact that you simply do not know about homosexuals/bisexuals.

[Azar]

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7 pages

[Tigranakert]

Re: Are you okay with Gay Armenians?

Haha, love this guy.

[Mos]

Re: Are you okay with Gay Armenians?

This is what I asked you to prove

None of the quotes you have provided state that I said people get AIDS when first infected. Note the bold part. You need to have a quote that proves it.

You said, "most people who get aids, get it from the back door" That's implying that from the back door your get aids, and thus aids is the initial infection. You officially "get" aids after your T-Cell count drops below 200. But even "get" is not the proper term. It's more correct to say aids develops.

There is a difference betwee saying an iditiot and saying mos is an idiot. I said the former, which does not explicitely imply it was directed at you. Implicit interpretations are your problem, not mine (i.e. if you think an idiot referred to you, then that's your problem.)

That was pretty explicit as you were clearly referring to me in that quote. Jgk3 was referring to me in his post and you were thus quoting him and referring to me. It's not brain surgery, your were referring to me as an idiot and it's clear from your quote. Stop trying to deny the obvious.

I don't care about the British spelling, I live in the US and on top of that English is my third language.

So if you don't care why were you whining about my spelling of that one word? Was that really so crucial to the argument at hand, or you just had to find a distraction?

[KanadaHye]

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Having HIV does not equal having AIDS.

and read this article

I know, that's what I was pointing out. I grew up in the 80's when AIDS was in the media every single day. The good old days right after the collapse of the USSR. The days when you could call anyone who was cheap a "J3w", anyone who rubbed you the wrong way a "f@g" or a "queer" and everyone knew that girls had cooties