Are you okay with Gay Armenians?

[levon]

Re: Are you okay with Gay Armenians?

This reminds me of a similar story. 4 or 5 years ago there were some interns that came from Uzbekistan to DC to get experience at the state department. Well someone at the state department thought it would be a good idea to encourage the gayness, not the homosexuality, of 2 members of the Uzbek intern group, and gave them tips and training on how to run a gay awareness protest in Uzbekistan. So they got back to their country filled with these notions and ended up in jail, one of them was boiled alive.

I wonder if any of the idiots that encouraged those actions was half aware of Uzbek culture. But it's hilarious in a way, students go to Washington DC to get experience at the State Department and bring back Gay awareness. Speaks tons about the moral fabric of USA.

Muliculturalists/globalists/NWOers, call them what you like, attempt to paint the world as if it is all relative and that a universal culture exists. In reality, there are a number of different cultures, and certain things are more or less accepted depending on what culture you find yourself in at a given moment.

Very true.

[Tali]

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I don't encourage hiding it if it's a part of your identity. The internal torment and fear of being "outed" is far greater than the result of being outed. Physical pain is temporary, mental pain stays forever.

However, I also don't encourage being rash and in everyone's faces - it is not a "cause" to die for. Move somewhere else if you want to be "open," where even if you receive some hate at least you'll be alive.

I still have scars from some "gay hate" crimes inflicted upon me.

[Mos]

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I wonder if any of the idiots that encouraged those actions was half aware of Uzbek culture. But it's hilarious in a way, students go to Washington DC to get experience at the State Department and bring back Gay awareness. Speaks tons about the moral fabric of USA.
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Tells more about the sheer stupidity and cultural ignorance of the State Department.

[Armanen]

Re: Are you okay with Gay Armenians?

I don't encourage hiding it if it's a part of your identity. The internal torment and fear of being "outed" is far greater than the result of being outed. Physical pain is temporary, mental pain stays forever.

However, I also don't encourage being rash and in everyone's faces - it is not a "cause" to die for. Move somewhere else if you want to be "open," where even if you receive some hate at least you'll be alive.

I still have scars from some "gay hate" crimes inflicted upon me.

Well if being open about it means that you like others of the same sex as you and don't separate yourself from the people of your country based solely on your sexual oritentation, then it is fine. But if open means the San Francisco style, in your face, then of course it is not ok to come out. And if you are going to be this way then you'd better move if you live in 90% of the world's countries.

[Tali]

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Well if being open about it means that you like others of the same sex as you and don't separate yourself from the people of your country based solely on your sexual oritentation, then it is fine. But if open means the San Francisco style, in your face, then of course it is not ok to come out. And if you are going to be this way then you'd better move if you live in 90% of the world's countries.

there's certain groups I joined because they're not "in your face": GALAS, Trevors Project, and so forth. I avoid "GSA" (Gay Straight Alliance) like it was the plague. They're one of those "San Francisco-style" groups. It drives me nuts.

There is a very fine line between separating yourself based on your sexual orientation like you're your own country versus groups like the ones I joined where it's more like a "support" group rather than your own militia

I will always remember the day I left the GSA. It was ironically the first day I joined. I slapped a lesbian because she wanted to make out for a photo for an article.

[jgk3]

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I don't encourage hiding it if it's a part of your identity. The internal torment and fear of being "outed" is far greater than the result of being outed. Physical pain is temporary, mental pain stays forever.

However, I also don't encourage being rash and in everyone's faces - it is not a "cause" to die for. Move somewhere else if you want to be "open," where even if you receive some hate at least you'll be alive.

I still have scars from some "gay hate" crimes inflicted upon me.

I've come out to a friend I spent a lot of time with a few years ago, he was shocked, and he acted very strange afterward being more macho than normal when he'd pass me by, and I guess I didn't feel like he saw me the same way anymore. We both kind of let go of our connection as friends as time went on. I have other friends who accepted me fine.

My father doesn't know, and he's very homophobic, he even made me homophobic throughout my upbringing, just like him, though I never fully understood sexuality, and I still don't completely understand mine because I've resisted so much to making choices that I feared would upset some people in my life.

I don't come out to everyone that the topic of sexuality comes up with though, I actually rarely come out to people I know personally unless I emotionally/mentally cannot bear with hiding my problems at a given time, and cry out for help from some people I trust won't reject me if I told them.

I definitely agree about the mental pain of feeling rejectable by those so close to you, especially if they've otherwise supported you to a significant degree in your life. I'm sad to hear that you bear scars of hate crimes Tali...

[Armanen]

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JG are you bi or homosexual?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Are you okay with Gay Armenians?

I don't encourage hiding it if it's a part of your identity. The internal torment and fear of being "outed" is far greater than the result of being outed. Physical pain is temporary, mental pain stays forever.

However, I also don't encourage being rash and in everyone's faces - it is not a "cause" to die for. Move somewhere else if you want to be "open," where even if you receive some hate at least you'll be alive.

I still have scars from some "gay hate" crimes inflicted upon me.

How is it any different than a heterosexual person hiding that they are cheating on their partner or spouse? A lot of people walk around hiding the things they do as it's "their personal life" so why is there a need to publicize it? Politicians who claim they are "conservative" are involved in extra marital affairs all the time yet they hide it from society. I guess I don't understand the need to label people and segregate them based on things that should be private. The reason people remained in the closet is because of what happened in Nazi Germany. I think a lot of these groups are doing more harm than good because extremists will always be extremists.

[jgk3]

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JG are you bi or homosexual?

Bisexual

How is it any different than a heterosexual person hiding that they are cheating on their partner or spouse? A lot of people walk around hiding the things they do as it's "their personal life" so why is there a need to publicize it? Politicians who claim they are "conservative" are involved in extra marital affairs all the time yet they hide it from society. I guess I don't understand the need to label people and segregate them based on things that should be private. The reason people remained in the closet is because of what happened in Nazi Germany. I think a lot of these groups are doing more harm than good because extremists will always be extremists.

Because if those politicians wanted to live honestly, they would not have gotten into monogamous relationships and cheated on their spouses. A person coming out about their sexual orientation, which they live with throughout their lives, has nothing to do with dishonesty. If they feel burdened by the knowledge that their sexual orientation doesn't match perfectly with what is expected of the relationship, or of people close to them who push them to have a relationship that doesn't capture their sexuality, they should be able to talk about it, otherwise they'll keep the burden of feeling like they're not normal, all their lives, when plenty of other people out there can probably relate, and many more can likely accept them, provided they make it an imperative to be aware of how their actions can affect others, and learn how to take responsibly for themselves.

It's not healthy to keep things inside, to pretend you're someone you're not, the cognitive dissonance will someday get the better of you (if it hasn't already).

[KanadaHye]

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Bisexual



Because if those politicians wanted to live honestly, they would not have gotten into monogamous relationships and cheated on their spouses. A person coming out about their sexual orientation, which they live with throughout their lives, has nothing to do with dishonesty. If they feel burdened by the knowledge that their sexual orientation doesn't match perfectly with what is expected of the relationship, or of people close to them who push them to have a relationship that doesn't capture their sexuality, they should be able to talk about it, otherwise they'll keep the burden of feeling like they're not normal, all their lives, when plenty of other people out there can probably relate, and many more can likely accept them, provided they make it an imperative to be aware of how their actions can affect others, and learn how to take responsibly for themselves.

It's not healthy to keep things inside, to pretend you're someone you're not, the cognitive dissonance will someday get the better of you (if it hasn't already).

So you think there is a fear among homosexuals that people will think they're straight when they're not? Sort of like how heterosexuals get married because it's the "straight" thing to do and society forces it on them and they don't want others to doubt that they are heterosexual? It seems to me many people worry more of what others think than what they think about themselves. As long as an individual is honest to him/herself and those in his/her personal life I don't think there should be an issue of dishonesty.