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  • #31
    Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    Thank you. I've contacted the Smithsonian Magazine about this website.
    I don't know what aspect of it their lawyers will find the most offensive and actionable: the use of copyrighted text and photographs, or the altering of the original text to display bigoted ideology.
    Neither, but they'll surely laugh at the notion.
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    • #32
      Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
      I wasn't arguing... I was trying to explain to you the "tactics" that are often used to discredit Western Armenia.
      Quote me an explanation... You didn't explain anything. You simply attempted to mockingly dismiss me.
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      • #33
        Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

        Originally posted by Siggie View Post
        Quote me an explanation... You didn't explain anything. You simply attempted to mockingly dismiss me.
        Are you Armenian?
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        • #34
          Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

          Originally posted by Siggie View Post
          Ah yes, the other stuff at the site! Of course...
          I think the scientist they refer to in the video dated it by Earth's precession and the positions of celestial bodies in the sky. Perhaps they haven't been granted permission to dig? I don't really know anything about this beyond what's presented in the video.
          I don't know if that direction alters over time or not.

          But the map at 1:32 showing plans of both Stonehenge and Karahunge indicate that the direction of the processional ways are identical - both plans are orientated the same way and the arrows point in the same direction. So if the summer solstice direction does change over time, wouldn't that prove that both monuments date from the same period? Unless the direction moves back and forth and so the same direction will repeat itself over time.
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          • #35
            Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

            Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
            Are you Armenian?
            See? You ignore what I say and ask a stupid question instead. When you want to actually have a serious exchange, let me know.
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            • #36
              Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

              Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
              I don't know if that direction alters over time or not.

              But the map at 1:32 showing plans of both Stonehenge and Karahunge indicate that the direction of the processional ways are identical - both plans are orientated the same way and the arrows point in the same direction. So if the summer solstice direction does change over time, wouldn't that prove that both monuments date from the same period? Unless the direction moves back and forth and so the same direction will repeat itself over time.
              I mistyped... I meant precession. The wobble of the Earth.
              I don't understand exactly how they do this. I understand it only in theory which is they can estimate time from the position of celestial bodies. This is working backwards from what they do to predict where they'll be in the future.
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              • #37
                Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

                Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                It looked to me (from other maps I googled) that it was awfully close to Cilicia too. Wasn't Cilicia founded more recently than the 5000 years ago they're thinking this "observatory" was built? This is why I said I didn't take a position...
                Cilicia was the Greek name for the territory along the south-eastern coastal region of Asia Minor, then the name for the same territory when it was a province of the Roman Empire. There were almost no Armenians living there until the tenth century AD. Most books suggest they came in the 11th century as refugees following the Turkish invasions of Armenia, but I wonder if many had, in fact, come a century before that - perhaps the Byzantine empire had invited Armenians in as colonists into a largely depopulated land. The original population had been wiped out by the Muslim invasions in the 7th century and the hundreds of years of war that had followed, when Cilicia was the front line between the Byzantine Empire and the Muslim emirates in Aleppo and Damascus.

                Urfa/Edessa was not in Cilicia, it was in northern Syria, and was never part of the Armenian kingdom located in Cilicia.
                Last edited by bell-the-cat; 04-07-2011, 01:08 PM.
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                • #38
                  Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

                  Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                  Cilicia was the Greek name for the territory along the south-eastern coastal region of Asia Minor, then the name for the same territory when it was a province of the Roman Empire. There were almost no Armenians living there until the tenth century AD. The original population had been wiped out by the Muslim invasions in the 7th century and the hundreds of years of war that had followed, when Cilicia was the front line between the Byzantine Empire and the Muslim emirates in Aleppo and Damascus.

                  Urfa/Edessa was not in Cilicia, it was in northern Syria, and was never part of the Armenian kingdom located in Cilicia.
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                  • #39
                    Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

                    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                    Who died and made you historian?
                    When you want to actually have a serious exchange, let me know.
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                    • #40
                      Re: Armenian Stone Henge Story - CNN

                      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                      Who died and made you historian?
                      *throws up her hands* What is wrong with you people?! Poushman yegha! Panmeh uzetsank sorvel... Pokharen martu bes shenorkin yev hargankov khosis asang genes vor hech khosaktsutyun chela.
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