Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

[TomServo]

Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

So having lived in both Russia and the other countries you are able declare that

The corruption and oligarchy is just as bad as in any of the Central Asian or Caucasian states.

now you have convinced me!

Is that any more absurd than your "Syrian Armenians are likely to be better received in Russia" declaration?

My declaration on corruption and xenophobia in Russia doesn't exactly require fieldwork since it's been--and is continuing to be--documented by journalists from within and without Russia. Read a book or a newspaper, please. Ellen Barry's series on the judicial system in the NYT, maybe?

You're wrong on this one, lampron. I know it hurts to admit it but the truth is a harsh mistress.

[lampron]

Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

Is that any more absurd than your "Syrian Armenians are likely to be better received in Russia" declaration?

My declaration on corruption and xenophobia in Russia doesn't exactly require fieldwork since it's been--and is continuing to be--documented by journalists from within and without Russia. Read a book or a newspaper, please. Ellen Barry's series on the judicial system in the NYT, maybe?

You're wrong on this one, lampron. I know it hurts to admit it but the truth is a harsh mistress.

I'm not wrong, sorry to disappoint!

what I said is not absurd at all! If ever you want to find out the truth ask an Armenian who has depended on the charity of other Armenians

Among Armenians charity is almost non existent - exploitation and abuse, you will find plenty!

but you probably knew this already...

[TomServo]

Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

I'm not wrong, sorry to disappoint!

what I said is not absurd at all! If ever you want to find out the truth ask an Armenian who has depended on the charity of other Armenians

Among Armenians charity is almost non existent - exploitation and abuse, you will find plenty!

but you probably knew this already...

Duh.

But that doesn't make Russia(ns) benevolent, charitable, law-abiding, etc.

Also, you can criticize Armenia(ns) without teetering on the edge of Ara Baliozianesque fatalist, psychotic, monotonous misery (see bell-the-cat's posts, for example).

[Eddo211]

Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

Armenia is not a welcoming place for poor or homeless Armenians! There is no solidarity! If you are an Armenian from abroad with money, you might be better accepted (because you might be of help to them through your financial position or contacts abroad), but you will probably be faced with envy. This is the root of the problem with Armenians, but we don't see detailed discussions anywhere

Syrians are mostly going to Russia, not Armenia or Georgia. Armenians from Syria are likely to be better received in Russia than Armenia

Armenia as a small landlocked country surrounded by enemies who blockade and a young republic finally risen from ashes cannot efficiently absorb refugees be it Armenians or not.....to say most Armenian rather live somewhere else is bulldust. Syrian Armenians maybe forced move to a location other than Armenia but it would have nothing to do with their desire to live in Armenia but much more to do with economics.

[Mher]

Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

Fact: most of the refugees from Azerbaijan went on to Russia after a brief stay in Armenia and almost no help went to these refugees from the loud mouth Armenian political parties and the Armenian church

Are you telling me refugees with no money didn't want to stay in a country in the midst of a war, completely blockaded, a year removed from one of the worst natural disasters of the century, and no economy whatsoever?
Wow that was clearly the non existent Armenian governments fault, for not being able to provide people a home, while trying to not get eradicated off the map, while trying to win a unwinable war, while trying to rebuild a shattered economy with blockaded borders, while trying to rebuild an earthquake hit region without any resources.

How is it a surprise that people chose go to Russia rather than in a country born in the midst of hell, where any given day they could have been bombed to death?

How is that Armenia's fault?

Moreover How is that pertinent to today's situation?

everything you heard that life could not be better for them is exactly the opposite of what I have heard. Read the quote in my post above. You live comfortably and you like to believe in fairly tales? That's up to you

If you read the "Current Conditions in Armenia" thread, you will see that everything you say is wrong. That I argued the exact opposite point, that I can absolutely understand how someone from Syria can chose to not stay in Armenia and nobody living in the EU/US has the right to criticize them.

I can accept rejecting a blindly fanatic nationalistic point of view of ignoring any and all problems and pretending everything is fine

What I don't accept is the forever pessimistic and destructive point of view of people like yourself, who offer no constructing criticism, who refuse to acknowledge all of the progress and positive in Armenia, fail to understand the situation in relations to all of the factors that cause it, and just continuously regurgitate this disease of negativity with no end.

It's people like yourself that create divisions amongst Armenians, that make Armenians turn away from charities for their homeland, that make Armenians lose all hope for their homeland, and who are responsible for the cancerous «Էս երկիրը երկիր չի» mentality, SHAME ON YOU

so as a half-Syrian Armenian who has studied at the AGBU you know all about living at the mercy of Armenian crooks in Armenia? And having suffered under them you are convinced that life in Russia would necessarily be worse?

Stop defaming Armenians, stop creating divisions, stop making Armenia seem like some hell hole, and take some time responding

[hrai]

Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

Are you telling me refugees with no money didn't want to stay in a country in the midst of a war, completely blockaded, a year removed from one of the worst natural disasters of the century, and no economy whatsoever?
Wow that was clearly the non existent Armenian governments fault, for not being able to provide people a home, while trying to not get eradicated off the map, while trying to win a unwinable war, while trying to rebuild a shattered economy with blockaded borders, while trying to rebuild an earthquake hit region without any resources.

How is it a surprise that people chose go to Russia rather than in a country born in the midst of hell, where any given day they could have been bombed to death?

How is that Armenia's fault?

Moreover How is that pertinent to today's situation?



If you read the "Current Conditions in Armenia" thread, you will see that everything you say is wrong. That I argued the exact opposite point, that I can absolutely understand how someone from Syria can chose to not stay in Armenia and nobody living in the EU/US has the right to criticize them.

I can accept rejecting a blindly fanatic nationalistic point of view of ignoring any and all problems and pretending everything is fine

What I don't accept is the forever pessimistic and destructive point of view of people like yourself, who offer no constructing criticism, who refuse to acknowledge all of the progress and positive in Armenia, fail to understand the situation in relations to all of the factors that cause it, and just continuously regurgitate this disease of negativity with no end.

It's people like yourself that create divisions amongst Armenians, that make Armenians turn away from charities for their homeland, that make Armenians lose all hope for their homeland, and who are responsible for the cancerous «Էս երկիրը երկիր չի» mentality, SHAME ON YOU




Stop defaming Armenians, stop creating divisions, stop making Armenian seem like some hell hole, and take some before responding

Well said Mher

[lampron]

Re: Christians from Syria and Egypt seek refuge in the Caucasus

Duh.

But that doesn't make Russia(ns) benevolent, charitable, law-abiding, etc.

Also, you can criticize Armenia(ns) without teetering on the edge of Ara Baliozianesque fatalist, psychotic, monotonous misery (see bell-the-cat's posts, for example).

you talk like someone who has never depended on Armenian charity - how lucky you are!

from another thread on this forum, Armenian villager speaking

"If it wasn't for the Russians, we'd starve. We are big backers
of Putin and Medvedev. Those who feed and keep us, they are our
presidents," he said.

you will notice he does not even mention the diasapora Armenian Dashnak, Hunchak and Ramgavar political parties

he does not mention Armenian church

for low income Armenians (60% or more), Russia is saving them not fellow Armenians!

what does that tell you about Armenian charity?

it doesn't take rocket science to work out why most Syrian Armenian see Armenia as a short term stop over destination