"White People"

[winoman]

Hm - I've rarely ever met any actual "white" person outside of the occasional Albino...oh and there is Micheal Jackson of course...so I really don't understand this need to impose mass color blindness...Armenians are categorized as a Caucasian people - for what it is worth. Everyone should understand that these types of groupings are somewhat arbitrary and have largely been concocted as a matter of convienince to distinguish certain peoples with particualr (visible) genetic traits and to some (not insignificant) degree to recognize some cultural (largely language based) lineages. So we can easily put up examples of a particualr group that is categorized Caucasion alongside of one who is Semetic and they may have more (visible and even cultural) similarities then others who are grouped within these categories. So what does it all mean - and why should anyone really care? For the purposes of the kinds of arguments that I feel some people here and elsewhere like to make I think these distinctions mean very little. Trying to claim for instance that Armenians are somehow more related to the Danes then to most of the peoples of the Eastern Mediteranian or the Middle East is I think a bit absurd - genetically, culturally or what have you. But perhaps we are part Ethiopian or such eh? As many there are Coptic Christians...certainly we aren't related to any Muslims or such no? Whatever. Its all quite slilly. Obviously all peoples on Earth have both their unique traits and experiences as a people as well as those shared by a great number of others that they have come into contact with, dealt with, blended with and so on and so forth. Arguing that we are "white" is really much less interesting or telling then actually researching and discovering aspects of our specific history that can actually tell where we might have come from - genetically and culturally. And as opposed to trying to downplay how we might be different from others (people of the Levant/Western Asia etc) to prop up some sort of Aryan ideal about ourselves - we should be celebrating our unique mix and why it makes us special or worthwhile in itself - and more importantly just recognizing our cultural achievements and value...why do we need to grab onto the coatails of others for our self worth?

[Thai-Samurai]

Let's all just ask, "what's up w/ white people?"

[ArmenianKid]

i constier myself white. i know many dumb armenians including some of them in my family that dont think we are white. so let them dream lol

[winoman]

look kid - get your ass to a paint store - tell me exactly which shade of "white" you most resemble...then consider who to call a "dumb Armenian"

[ArmoBarbi]

Wino, your first post had little to do with the original topic. We are not arguing whether or not we are European or "white" or Caucasian blah blah...Everyone here, except you, knows that we are in fact as "white" as a Dane or a Frenchman or what have you.

In case you didnt notice, I specified what "white" means in this context and put it in quotation marks for a reason. You are taking a word and playing on it.

I do agree with your statements about the classification process and such, but that is not the issue at hand. Armenians are not WASPs, but neither are the French, Russians, Belgians, and many others who are here called "white". There are Armenians who think that belonging to the race means being WASPs....and Heaven forbid we become too WASPy.

What is this resentment of WASPiness?? We are no less Armenian by being normal "Caucasian" people. Its a crazy thought. Why wouldnt you be proud of being "white", winoman? I dont understand.

[Sip]

I'm not a color. I am Armenian.

[Anonymouse]

Why wouldnt you be proud of being "white", winoman? I dont understand.

Because winoman is a wine drinking human.

[winoman]

Well - lets just say I don't feel the need to glom onto any group to justify my identity. And this is what its really all about. You people are obviously insecure and in need of associating yourself with "white people" in order to feel superior to those who are "non-white" - pure and simple. And this is of course - laughable. First - as I briefly implyed - these are just lables - and they border on being meaningless. No matter what you say you aren't going to convince me (or any other person of Northern European descent) that you are closer to being danish then you are to being...lets say Turkish for instance (but of course we are closer even to Kurds/Persians and such...but still probably - at least arguably - more like [at least the sedentary] Arabs then we are to most Northern Europeans. Somehow I think its the Lavash bread that binds us....

I don't argue that we are labled as Caucasian (for what it is worth - and please understand the arbitrariness of this designation)...but this is merely a lable of dubious value - as is a claim of being just as "white" as a Frenchmen...so what - it means nothing...next you will be claiming the couissant...

[ArmoBarbi]

Funny. I already told you that I agree with your arguments about the classifications, etc. No need to beat a dead horse.

This is about Armenians classifying themselves as "non-white" for some purpose. If you cant explain your feelings on THIS matter, then you do my question no good. Unless you calling "us people" insecure was your way of sharing those feelings.

[winoman]

Why wouldnt you be proud of being "white", winoman? I dont understand.

Hm - "white pride" you say??

"Wake up White People!"

So - are you proud of being "white"? Why? What is it that you feel you have to claim? Can't we "claim" all human achievements just for being human (wine drinking or otherwise...)...and do you also claim and are you also proud of all the various atrocities and exploitation of "non-whites" that "whites" have managed over the last few milenia or so? Yeah - various Turks, Mongols, and other Asiatics have terrorized the world in their time and comited great atrocities...and maybe we could footnote the Japanese for some more recent wrongdoing...but pretty much other then a few of these marrauding groups - most of of the massively criminal type of actions (genocidal and large scale wars of conquest and associated misery, slavery, religeous persecution...etc etc) have been perpetrated by various folks considering themselves as "whites" ...so yeah - White power! eh?