Armenian White Nationalism

[Hate_Sheep]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

Yes, but the achievements of rap music shouldn't be nakedly thrown into competition with classical music... Rap serves its purpose for the contemporary styles and trends, and its appeal to today's listeners is probably as strong as the appeal that the 17th and 18th century European public felt for Classical music. Although you can compare the technicality and methods of expression in both styles, it's not wise to place one as superior to the other, as they are like apples and oranges.

Is it fair to say a flute is inferior to the piano because it plays less notes? That is the kind of apples and oranges situation I'm talking about that can be seen when one compares Rap to Classical.

I completely agree with your statements jgk3, and strongly disagree with yours mouse. Racism is just as much a degenaration of civlilization, and to some extent more so then "MTV culture". There is nothing progressive, with hating people based on their race, culture, and choice of music. That metally has caused more harm and damage to the world then anything else. Every genocide ever perpetrated, has been because of racism, including out own. Armenians of all people should understand this.
How do you think people will learn of our gencoide, if we shut down all forms of media. If rap is what is popular, then why not use it to our advantage to get our message accross, to a whole new group of people.
Well you said you are greater then R-mean, but everyone is great in their own minds, it is how others percieve you. Sorry to say, in my opinion, I dont think everyone thinks you are as great as you think you are .

[jgk3]

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Why not? I see no good reason why one shouldn't

But they are so fundamentally different, and both rely on different elements of music and feel to express themselves. That's about it for my reasoning. I'm much more in touch with classical music, as I've been taking classical piano lessons for close to 10 years now, yet I find it unfair to hold the richness of the music I've played and heard against something I know little about, yet I can perceive as different (rap).

The era of Classical music has passed, so it cannot be used to express contemporary ideas. Although the enlightened composers from its era explored the deepest depths of the human soul and wrote masterpiece after masterpiece, their works and ideas are from another time, a time that can only live today through study.
Standards have changed as rules have been broken, over and over again in hopes of creating something new, new forms of expression, because that is the primary element in music, and any form of art, expression.
Rap has expression, even though it expresses it in a way that would be perceived as poor style by the old western standards, yet these standards do nothing to hinder its primary purpose, expression.
When you feel the expression in the music, nothing else matters. Today's public feels that expression in rap and hiphop (even though I don't personally listen to rap, I can't deny it). They have every right to love it more than classical music, it's a contemporary style that is more engaging to them than something they'd often lack the opportunity and priveledge to study and understand (the results of studying classical music are among the most wonderful in the world).

I hope this makes sense :P

The duduk is harder to master than the piano. What is unfair about that? "Apples and oranges" while sometimes an applicable analogy has gone beyond its intended purpose in a slippery slope and now is nothing more than a wand used by everyone to justify anything and everything.

I'm sure you're right about the "apples and oranges" thing being used as a cheap shot, but if one relies on some intelligent elaboration rather than a simple "apples and oranges" statement, then things shouldn't get out of hand, which is what I'm trying to do right now.

[jgk3]

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I agree hatesheep, expressing Armenian issues through rap is a good idea.

[dsarkasian]

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This question is for hatesheep and jgk3. Would you be in support of large scale immigration of Non-Armenians to Armenia? Let's say to the diversity equivalence of France?

[Anonymouse]

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I completely agree with your statements jgk3, and strongly disagree with yours mouse. Racism is just as much a degenaration of civlilization, and to some extent more so then "MTV culture".

"Racism" is a modern invention. Prior to that, the separation of the world into different peoples and races, and the acknowledgement that there are real and marked differences between peoples and cultures was the norm. Only now can one be guilty of something, for which the word to describe it was invented in the last half century.

There is nothing progressive, with hating people based on their race, culture, and choice of music. That metally has caused more harm and damage to the world then anything else. Every genocide ever perpetrated, has been because of racism, including out own. Armenians of all people should understand this.

There are two mistakes with the above.

First, no one expressed "hate" toward anyone because of their race. That is typical of those who supposedly argue against "racism". As soon as they are confronted with superior arguments and cannot compensate with anything substantial, they immediately appeal to the emotion fallacy. All I have expressed has been nothing more than the view that real differences exist and my preference of not mixing. Second of all, hate is as much a human trait as love. You cannot cherry pick one and expect the world to be a colorless utopia in which everyone is colorblind and culturally blind. You will never absolve the world of hate, any more than you can absolve the world of love. They will always balance each other out. What makes man love also makes man hate. You, and other egalitarians have an unhealthy obsession of "ridding the world of hate". Little do they stop and realize that hate is as much a human force as love and has been with man since time immemorial. In fact, I would argue hate, is as much a virtue as love. Anything less would not be human.

As far as your contention that somehow "racism" has caused more damage than anything else, well that is patently false and not anymore 'knowable' than Marxists' idiotic claims to the 'scientific history'. There is no more legitimacy and truth to exclaiming that, anymore than there is legitimacy to when atheists or people who hate religion exclaim that somehow religion has caused the most damage and most wars in all of human history. There is no way one can even quantify the amount of human misery and human tragedy unleashed. The best we can approximate is that in the 20th century alone, 200 million people died as a result of government fomented wars and genocides. That's about it. And people will continue to die. That is nothing to do with anything except that man is prone to extreme rage and destruction, as much as he is capable of great heights and love.

Furthermore, that you somehow think that some of us argue for separation of races, or that there are differences, and to equate that with somehow condoning the mass slaughter of those 'not like us' is stupid and naive and only reflects nothing more than an emotional appeal and a smear attempt on your part.

How do you think people will learn of our gencoide, if we shut down all forms of media. If rap is what is popular, then why not use it to our advantage to get our message accross, to a whole new group of people.

Who said anything about shutting down forms of communication? That is stupid, and if you know anything I am an absolute believer in absolute freedom of speech, no matter what and that goes for Turks who wish to deny the genocide. The goal is that with education and understanding we can hopefully make the youth understand and make them choose to sway away from that mentality.

Well you said you are greater then R-mean, but everyone is great in their own minds, it is how others percieve you. Sorry to say, in my opinion, I dont think everyone thinks you are as great as you think you are .

That everyone is great in their own minds is untrue. As we all know there are many people right now who lack even the littlest amount of self-esteem who hardly believe themselves to be great and must rely on the compliments and beliefs of others in them to feel anything remotly resembling 'confident'.

[Anonymouse]

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But they are so fundamentally different, and both rely on different elements of music and feel to express themselves. That's about it for my reasoning. I'm much more in touch with classical music, as I've been taking classical piano lessons for close to 10 years now, yet I find it unfair to hold the richness of the music I've played and heard against something I know little about, yet I can perceive as different (rap).

The era of Classical music has passed, so it cannot be used to express contemporary ideas.

This is not about eras. I appreciate your attempt at discussing this and expressing your input from experience, however, this is definitely not about eras. There is no where any writing written on marble tablets stating that somehow because they are of essentially different periods, they cannot be compared. This was what my comment about apples and oranges was aimed at.

It is not and never has been the periods that we are comparing, but rather, the human creativity, potential and intellect behind its creation. The humans of "that era" were no different from the humans of "this era" in terms of simply being human and expressing themselves. In fact, we can look at all of history and compare the creations and advancements of many different peoples and places to many different times. There is never anything that somehow states these are forbidden territories. In fact, we could even argue, why is that this particular modernity, this paradigm, has nothing that stands out. There are no "philosophers" that stand out, no composers, no thinkers, no artists. Do you think this is just coincidence or is this the result of the forces of one culture (low) replacing the forces of a higher culture? Do you realize how the gradual domination of low culture and mass culture has alleviated the world of these and replaced it with a melange of nothing?

Although the enlightened composers from its era explored the deepest depths of the human soul and wrote masterpiece after masterpiece, their works and ideas are from another time, a time that can only live today through study.

That is untrue. You of all people should know that music in the classical continues to be written, however, as we all know, that does not equate to popularity.

Standards have changed as rules have been broken, over and over again in hopes of creating something new, new forms of expression, because that is the primary element in music, and any form of art, expression.
Rap has expression, even though it expresses it in a way that would be perceived as poor style by the old western standards, yet these standards do nothing to hinder its primary purpose, expression.

The issue is not whether there is change. You misunderstand my criticism if you think that somehow I argue that history, culture or man is static. Nothing is static. Values must and shall be broken. But what it is replaced by is the key. Will it be replaced by something higher, greater and nobler, or will something lower, baser and simpler replace it? Why are there studies arguing that if a child in the womb listens to Mozart he or she will increase their IQ, but none of these studies can claim the same about rap? Why does it take more music savvy to know how to read music, to play an instrument, than rap? Many of these rappers cannot even play musical instruments, let alone read music. That, my friend, is what we mean by the simplistic things being more easily understandable.

When you feel the expression in the music, nothing else matters. Today's public feels that expression in rap and hiphop (even though I don't personally listen to rap, I can't deny it). They have every right to love it more than classical music, it's a contemporary style that is more engaging to them than something they'd often lack the opportunity and priveledge to study and understand (the results of studying classical music are among the most wonderful in the world).

What you have just described above is the iron ingredient of modernity. It is the lower culture that has taken solace in the masses and found a suitable host. For mass culture promotes simplicity and mediocrity. And you essentially proved my point that what is simpler and baser is easier to comprehend by the masses and their dead weight, than something nobler and more complex. For the latter requires something of the individual soul that is higher, which the masses lack since there is no individuality in them, except a blob of humans and their mob mentality of what is 'good taste'.

I hope this makes sense :P

You have managed to make more sense in one post than hate sheep has done in all his posts.

[Anonymouse]

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This question is for hatesheep and jgk3. Would you be in support of large scale immigration of Non-Armenians to Armenia? Let's say to the diversity equivalence of France?

That is a good question. Imagine a million Africans or Chinese wanting to immigrate to Armenia. I am to guess they would think it's a jolly good idea!

[Anahita]

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An Anonymous mouse gets eaten by a centipede. That centipede is then eaten by another creature, who is caught by a bird of prey... and (assuming that bird of prey didn’t ingest too much DDT), lays viable eggs that will hatch and become more baby birds, who will eat more centipedes that eat mice that ate... All of them eventually die and become Earth (very literally) in time, though.

What comes around, goes around, in that kind of karmic and literal ecological circle. I think that’s beautiful.

Well, except for people have lots of plastic surgery (plastic doesn't decompose)... and this weird obsession of pumping dead bodies full of chemicals (not that different than Egyptian obsession with mumification...)

The point is that that mouse from Earth comes and to Earth will return.

And just so you are aware of my opinion. I'm about ready to vomit with all this racist talk, already.

[Anonymouse]

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The point is that that mouse from Earth comes and to Earth will return.

Nietzsche's eternal recurrence.

And just so you are aware of my opinion. I'm about ready to vomit with all this racist talk, already.

Just what is "racist"?

P.S. I'm glad it got you to the point where you want to vomit.

[Anahita]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

Nietzsche's eternal recurrence.



Just what is "racist"?

P.S. I'm glad it got you to the point where you want to vomit.

So that was your whole goal here? Well done, my friend.

Regarding, 'what is racist,' how about you first tell me what 'race' means to you. What is 'white?'

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