Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

[KotayKoskesh]

I'm sorry to bring this up again guys but im wondering why people don't see Armenians as Europeans ( especially Armenians ) Armenians are a mix of many tribes mostly from the balkhans and anatolia ( greeks not turks ! ) so I really don't understand how people can think we are not white ??? this is like a profound mysetry of life to me, could anybody please express their view on why we are white or not white, and please don't flame I would really wish to see opinions here .. thank's alot

[TomServo]

Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

Why don't you explain to me how we're European?

[KotayKoskesh]

Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

first of all

Armenia is in Europe ( Armenia IS in europe if you dont beleive me go to a geogrpahy class, central asia starts at Iran. Anatolia is also in europe its a mosconception saying that turkey is not in eruope since the residents of the country seem to have lost their way somewhere in history from Mongolia to Turkey)

We speak an Indo-European language ( this could be debated that Iranians also speak an Indo-European language and are not Europeans but that's only because of the religion they adpoted in my book, before Islam Iranians had a culture closer to hellensitic and a religion closer to Chritinity (
zorastarianism) )

We are Christian ( Yes there are chrisitans in China and also Religion does not dictate one's ethnicity but it does suggest something )

The Armenian people were originally much more whiteish ( The skin color or traits that are associated with modern Armenians are a product of Mixing with Turks, Iranians and arabs )

Armenian people come from the Balkhans and not from the caucasus, and even if they would they would still be European !

THe term caucasian is used to detemine if someone is white or not because a german scientist did a study on races and ethnicity and concluded that poeple were white from France/British Isles to the caucasus other races included mongoloids, blacks ...etc im sorry I dont rmember the name of the scientist in question but im not bullxxxxting...

ok what more do you need ?

[jgk3]

Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

I used to believe in that myth of how Armenians came from the Balkans and mixed with the Anatolians until the user Armenian enlightened me... I suggest you read what he's posted in the Armenian History board in the "Indo-European element of Armenians" thread.

We are definately Caucasian, that I don't deny, but we aren't European, and I'm quite satisfied with this. It's a detail that has played such an important role in our history, and to deny it isn't a very Armenian way of looking at it.

[TomServo]

Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

I'm not convinced. At all.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

first of all

Armenia is in Europe ( Armenia IS in europe if you dont beleive me go to a geogrpahy class, central asia starts at Iran. Anatolia is also in europe its a mosconception saying that turkey is not in eruope since the residents of the country seem to have lost their way somewhere in history from Mongolia to Turkey)

We speak an Indo-European language ( this could be debated that Iranians also speak an Indo-European language and are not Europeans but that's only because of the religion they adpoted in my book, before Islam Iranians had a culture closer to hellensitic and a religion closer to Chritinity (
zorastarianism) )

We are Christian ( Yes there are chrisitans in China and also Religion does not dictate one's ethnicity but it does suggest something )

The Armenian people were originally much more whiteish ( The skin color or traits that are associated with modern Armenians are a product of Mixing with Turks, Iranians and arabs )

Armenian people come from the Balkhans and not from the caucasus, and even if they would they would still be European !

THe term caucasian is used to detemine if someone is white or not because a german scientist did a study on races and ethnicity and concluded that poeple were white from France/British Isles to the caucasus other races included mongoloids, blacks ...etc im sorry I dont rmember the name of the scientist in question but im not bullxxxxting...

ok what more do you need ?

While I agree about white, that does not translate to European. European is a geographic term. I have seen many maps that have portrayed Armenia in Europe. I have seen many others that have labelled it in Asia. I have seen it referred to as Middle Eastern. Borders and boundaries are conceptual and in no way static, absolute or tangible. They change as perceptions change, and more importantly, as cultures, races and civilizations change.

[Quarteria]

Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

I need sources for all these allegations.

Does anybody else find it amusing that in each proof, there's also an out or a contradiction?

"Armenia is a landlocked country in the southern Caucasus. Located between the Black and Caspian Seas, Armenia is bordered on the north and east by Georgia and Azerbaijan, and on the south and west by Iran and Turkey. Though geographically in Western Asia, politically and culturally Armenia is closely aligned with Europe. Historically, Armenia has been at the crossroads between Europe and Southwest Asia, and is therefore seen as a transcontinental nation." -- From Wikipedia

[KotayKoskesh]

Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

I used to believe in that myth of how Armenians came from the Balkans and mixed with the Anatolians until the user Armenian enlightened me... I suggest you read what he's posted in the Armenian History board in the "Indo-European element of Armenians" thread.

We are definately Caucasian, that I don't deny, but we aren't European, and I'm quite satisfied with this. It's a detail that has played such an important role in our history, and to deny it isn't a very Armenian way of looking at it.

We're ot caucasian our language is not caucasian many languages have taken roots in the caucasus like Georgian and all those other caucasian languages like Lezgin, chechen etc etc, of course im proud to be caucasian because thats what we are right now and people migrate and we have beatiful mountains but the thing is we were not always in the caucasus if we were in the balkhans or not is only a theory but we oblivouly arent native to the caucasus since our language does not ressemble ANY other caucasian language at all

[TomServo]

Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

While I agree about white, that does not translate to European. European is a geographic term. I have seen many maps that have portrayed Armenia in Europe. I have seen many others that have labelled it in Asia. I have seen it referred to as Middle Eastern. Borders and boundaries are conceptual and in no way static, absolute or tangible. They change as perceptions change, and more importantly, as cultures, races and civilizations change.

Listen to the mousey.

[KotayKoskesh]

Re: Armenians are Europeans ( and white ) !

I need sources for all these allegations.

Does anybody else find it amusing that in each proof, there's also an out or a contradiction?

"Armenia is a landlocked country in the southern Caucasus. Located between the Black and Caspian Seas, Armenia is bordered on the north and east by Georgia and Azerbaijan, and on the south and west by Iran and Turkey. Though geographically in Western Asia, politically and culturally Armenia is closely aligned with Europe. Historically, Armenia has been at the crossroads between Europe and Southwest Asia, and is therefore seen as a transcontinental nation." -- From Wikipedia

Armenia is not in Asia its not because WIkipedia says it thats its true lol, what delimits Asia and Europe are the Ural mountains not country borders, if Geographers all agree with this who are we to say its not true ?