Half Armenians

[Armenian]

Re: Half Armenians

Armenian, we truly beat a dead horse, but I stand where I stand not so much so because I refuse to accept the inevitable. Its not my intentions to be a "savior" of the Diaspora, but the reality is that the Diaspora is walking the fence and its causing the depopulation of Armenia. You can not honestly tell me the Diaspora is assimilating because they are not assimilating, they are just adapting and stagnating in the process, dragging down Armenian statehood. What is Armenian? You send your kids to Armenian school? Is this it? So if this is it, what is motivating anyone from staying in Armenia? Its a vicious cycle, lets face it, if everyone wants to immigrate out Armenia, what is stoping anyone from staying in Armenia if values can be exported and "preserved"?

Dude, you just lost me. I don't know what you are arguing...

Anyway, the point is, the diaspora is headed towards eventual oblivion regardless of what we do. We should be seeking to make our homeland a better place to live in so that the average Armenian living there does not have an 'excuse' to think about leaving the country. The only important entity in this debate is the 'homeland' - not even the Armenian individual, per say. So, efforts spent in the diaspora is efforts wasted. Our limited resources should exclusivly be spent within our homeland.

[Virgil]

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Virgil, I was more-or-less like you once, but time and experience changes people. Regardless of how much you want to fight and not accept the inevitable, the inevitable 'will' be. And having a "winners mentality" will not change reality. The sociopolitical environment in which Armenians of the vast diaspora live cannot be controlled. And no one in the diaspora can dictate a code of ethics under which Armenian diasporans would be forced to live. Thus, I see your fight as futile and a waste of a precious effort that could be used more efficiently elsewhere. I personally chose to fight in a realistic world, not a world of make believe. Like it or not, the diaspora is on a course that cannot be changed. The only place you, as an Armenian nationalist, can have a lasting impact is within the Armenian Republic. Simple as that.

Armenian I will pm you a reply, this is getting dragged, but my fundimental idea is out there, let them play with it and shape it, but understand that if everyone is Armenian in the world and it is a very evident that Diaspora is not assimlating but adapting and its doing so because we, the core, are accepting the ravages of immigration (i.e. relations that are inevitable) then the population is being replaced and the drive to motivate state building diminishes.

[Armenian]

Re: Half Armenians

Virgil, I was more-or-less like you once, but time and experience changes people. Regardless of how much you want to fight and not accept the inevitable, the inevitable 'will' be. And having a "winners mentality" will not change reality. The sociopolitical environment in which Armenians of the vast diaspora live cannot be controlled. And no one in the diaspora can dictate a code of ethics under which Armenian diasporans would be forced to live. Thus, I see your fight as futile and a waste of a precious effort that could be used more efficiently elsewhere. I personally chose to fight in a realistic world, not a world of make believe. Like it or not, the diaspora is on a course that cannot be changed. The only place you, as an Armenian nationalist, can have a lasting impact is within the Armenian Republic. Simple as that.

[Virgil]

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When ethnicities live next to each other without cultural, linguistic and/or religious barriers (or taboos) inter-ethnic marriages are inevitable. As a matter of fact, with the passage of time such mixing will only become normal. Thus, fighting against it is pointless, it will only serve to frustrate you and make you bitter. Want to preserve Armenian heritage? Do so in Armenia, not in Southern California. As all ethnic diasporas our diaspora is doomed. Let's hope, however, that our diaspora will survive until that day when the Armenian Republic is established enough not to need a diaspora for survival. Today's "Armenia Fund Telethon" is a perfect example of how the Armenian Diaspora, while it survives, can partake in nation building.

Enker Armenian, the flaw in the argument that "all ethnic diasporas our diaspora is doomed" and we should accept our fate is that this is not occuring within the Armenian diaspora because the Diaspora is opting to accept new norms to lessen the burden of their decisions on themselves. Armenian ideology, values, identity, everything is being replaced by foreign values, identity, but under the banner of "Armenian". Its a jar, with different contents inside, but with the same label.

Enker Armenian, yes, I agree, they are inevitable, but that does not anyone the moral authority to make it a norm and when you accept this as a norm you fracture your people into various sub-divisions, furthermore, you dilute their loyalty to the state, this has to be understood and accepted. Anyone that opposes my view is going against fundimental laws of government and state building.

Since everyone is just constantly bringing this up, let me again clarify my position for the final time and lets be brave enough to accept the harsh reality of my position and move on. Again, I am not convincing anyone what they should or should not do, that is not what I advocate, I am not God nor do I have any more moral authority then fellow members and Armenians. However, this does not mean I should ignore the fact that this is a degenerate ideology and is as much of a threat to Armenia as it to the Diaspora, at the very minimum it does at least become a factor in any decision I make.

Essentially, when this is individually accepted it the creates a vicious cycle that depopulates Armenia because it strenghtens the idea of a "spiritual Armenia". This occurs because on the micro level Armenians like me and you, Armenian, choose to accept and tolerate this behavior making it a norm. Take the infinite sum among the core and you have accepted a new norm. Eventually you have fragmented your people into various mixes with no motivation to push forward the prospects of the Armenian state. This has to be understood, you have to understand this fundimental concept, once a people give up fighting for their values, their way of life, you lose.

I am sorry to say Armenian, tolerating this degeneration is a losers mentality, we need to have a winners mentality, we don't need to accept everything that history has thrown our way, this is why I spend time writing this, if you today accept this as a norm then you are accepting the humiliation and extinction of the Armenain people by the hands of Turks. Armenians need to understand, there exists no future for the Armenian state, the Armenian people outside of Armenia. Building schools and churches has no utility unless you want to accept and adhere to a nomadic way of life, country hoping in the process is not a lifestyle I want to pass onto future generations, I do not want Armenians to inherit a future where they will always be 2nd class citizens because they choose to be culturally Armenian, but geographically surrounded by Non-Armenians. As long as you live in a state as a minority you will always be consider the 2nd class citizen unless you become the majority. This has to be accepted, its up to me and you to stop this idea from spreading, its a very dangerious idea to tolerate, it has to be stopped at the core.

Consider the fact that most of these individuals opt to impose a identity on their children and consider the fact that more and more Armenians are immigrating out, overtime, the individuals with foriegn upbringing, a foreign way of life based on alien ethnic standards and religious views will have the economic power to then dictate the direction of Armenia. Infusing degenerate values and allowing our precious culture to be diluted and replaced by capitalistic institutions and organizations that will rape and molest our way of life, destroying every once of purity we have fought to maintain and protect from the hands of foreign powers that tryed to impose a gypsie's destiny on us.

And understand that if you are a half Armenian this is not a attack on you, consider this analogy, if you were a student and are have currently have a failing grade, the professor can do two things, he can demotivate further by just passing you or he can motivate you more by entertaining the prospects of a passing grade on the condition that you work hard in his or her class. Lets consider a even more concrete analogy, you have a castle, their exists a invading army, ultimatly, the invading army will penetrate your defenses. Are you going to not build a wall because you know you are going to lose or at least are you going to put a wall with the intention of giving the opposing force a hard time? This is what it boils down to, we should make our decisions with all weights considered.

I sincerly beleive that Armenians are better then this, we can become the great and proud people we once were, but this will never come to pass if we accept the losers destiny, this is what we are accepting, a losers destiny, this is the reality, stop trying to convince yourselves otherwise.

[Armenian]

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There happens to be a mildieu of them here in Glendale. It's a horrific and tragic site to see. Really.

When ethnicities live next to each other without cultural, linguistic and/or religious barriers (or taboos) inter-ethnic marriages are inevitable. As a matter of fact, with the passage of time such mixing will only become normal. Thus, fighting against it is pointless, it will only serve to frustrate you and make you bitter. Want to preserve Armenian heritage? Do so in Armenia, not in Southern California. As all ethnic diasporas our diaspora is doomed. Let's hope, however, that our diaspora will survive until that day when the Armenian Republic is established enough not to need a diaspora for survival. Today's "Armenia Fund Telethon" is a perfect example of how the Armenian Diaspora, while it survives, can partake in nation building.

[TomServo]

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Anywhere in Glendale really. You have choices from going to the Glendale Galleria, Brand Marketplace, or Broadway and Verdugo where Glendale High is situated.

Been to the Galleria and Marketplace.

Most of the interracial couples I've seen have been non-Armenian, but many Armenians have mixed ethnicity anyway. I was reading an interview with an Armenian film producer from Russia and he revealed that his mother was a Tatar, even though he considers himself to be Armenian.

If Glendale depresses you so much you should visit Brazil.

[Anonymouse]

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I love horror and tragedy. Where can I see this?

Anywhere in Glendale really. You have choices from going to the Glendale Galleria, Brand Marketplace, or Broadway and Verdugo where Glendale High is situated.

[TomServo]

Re: Half Armenians

There happens to be a mildieu of them here in Glendale. It's a horrific and tragic site to see. Really.

I love horror and tragedy. Where can I see this?

[Anonymouse]

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By the way gentlemen, let's not get emotional and personal. This is just a discussion. We expect this from the local Turkish troll, not ourselves.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Half Armenians

Anyway, being 100% Armenian means nothing. Go and see how the 100% "Armenians" in Istanbul live; go and take a look at the 100% "Armenians" in Beirut; go and look at some of the 100% "Armenian" trash that walk the streets of Yerevan... At the same time, however, a great majority of Armenians from mixed marriages are lost to assimilation. Inter-ethnic marriages must not be encouraged. But regardless of what you and I do, mixed marriages will occur - it's human. And when they do occur, we must accept the children of those marriages if the children feel Armenian - in mind, body and soul. We simply do not have a choice.

There happens to be a mildieu of them here in Glendale. It's a horrific and tragic site to see. Really.