Half Armenians

[Virgil]

Re: Half Armenians

Oh incidently, I don't reply to people anymore, if you disagree with me please don't try to "convince me", really, please don't, I have heard and debated with everyone regarding this, in the end I am right. If you want to debate with me, send me a private message, I am not in the freak show business, I just call it how it is, if you are smart you will listen.

Also, on a socio-political level, you can not compare American values with Armenian values. American values in Armenia will lead to a state that has foreign majority (i.e. dual citizenship law that was passed will lead to a influx of immigrants from improvised countries seeking asylum, overtime these will lead to severe demographic changes that will threaten the self determination of Armenians, this was a sham law created so that corrupt politicians and citizens of Armenia can funnel out liqued assets and still retain a citzenship. Any amatuer political scientist will tell you that a state like Armenia will not benefit from dual citizenship because (1) it has no need for immigrant workers and (2) the geographic proximity of Armenia to hostitle states will allow these states to send their populations into Armenia under the disguse of refugees. There are more reasons then this, but I don't like discuss this stuff online, my ideas are "radical" as one Armenian told me once, but the reality is my ideas are rooted in common sense.)

Also, the racial dichotomy of half Armenians is also a important factor. Yes, I understand circumstance, I understand compassion, yes, you live in a region where your access to Armenians is limited, this is fine, really, but you can not expect Armenians in Armenia to welcome any racial (Race as in black, asian, and ... etc.) extremes into their society. Armenian society is monoethnic and monoracial, therefore, it would be a real stretch to bring a half-Asian and or half-black into this society and expect these people to consider him or her as a Armenian. Understand this is a rooted reality of human nature. In the United States the tactic is to racially homogonize the population in order to still maintain control over them, Armenia on the other hand is blessed by being monoethnic and monoracial, they have no road blocks connecting with one another. And if you think I am "paranoid" ask your state representitive what he or she thinks about teaching Spanish or a second language at school. They are as if not more concerned about these topics then I am, but on the surface they do not show it, but go to any blue blooded American town and they will tell you the realities of the United States.

Just remember, logically, fragmenting our communities will cause the unity that we have to erude over time and also, just a warning, at least I have a clean concious that I told my people whats coming, peace.

[Virgil]

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There is no such thing as "half" Armenian, if the person in question is fully Armenian by character, act and ideology. Like enker Azad said, if you have any amount of Armenian heritage, and you feel Armenian, and you concern yourself with Armenia, than you are 100% Armenian. This does not mean, however, that I am encouraging mixed marriages. The best bet in raising Armenian children is by sticking to your kind. Simple as that.

I agree with you, but I don't consider half Armenians as Armenian. As much as I want to beleive half Armenians are full Armenian the reality is they are half Armenian, this is why we call somone of mixed paratage "half Armenian" and not "full Armenian" and furthermore, this is why the other half refers to this person as "half xyz".

Obviously, this is based on many factors include my personal experience and my deep knowledge of Armenian history, but most importantly, two reasons, the first being that I do not want the Armenian identity to be second to any other identity in that I don't want the Armenian identity to be consider, for a lack of a better term, a religion. Were not a religion, were a ethnic group, first and foremost.

Second, I agree that identity is socially constructed and the link that develops your identity is the interaction between a child and his or her parent. The fact of the matter the knowledge that is passed down by a mother and father to their child is the most important knowledge (To large extent it is directly the ideology of the people) that a Armenian can posses, no book or "social interaction" outside the family unit can replace this knowledge even though many Armenians try to substitute this, which then leads to assimilation and eventually, extinction.

And by the way, I don't consider Armenian by blood the reason why mixed marriages are wrong. The reason why mixed marriages are wrong because statistically it increases the chances of assimilation and please don't say somthing like "well we can send a half Armenian to Armenian school" because you are just degrading your own identity. Essentially, the argument most make for this idea is that by doing so we are preserving our identity because our numbers increase in which I point to the fact that ethnicity is measure of quality as much as it is a measure of quantity. Every mix dilutes the person into nothingness and furthermore, every mix decreases that persons connection to the Armenian state.

However, to be fair, I don't consider colonized Armenians as Armenians as well, colonized as in that they are Armenian, but are exposed to foreign cultural elements. Any Armenian that identifies with pop culture versus the Armenian culture is not really a "better" Armenian, everyone exposed to pop culture or foreign culture is losing their identity, this is the reality.

Essentially, what has occured is that Armenians from around world take their culture to foreign lands and pickle it, it does not develop, it does not grow, it does not improve, it stays the same and stagnates. There is no pure Armenian identity outside the homeland, your Armenian if you are in Armenia, outside you are of Armenian ancestory no matter what percent of blood you have, this is the reality that Armenians have to admit to in order for them to better their homeland.

The falsity that marrying a Zebra and having a half Zebra and half Armenian kid is the equivalent of full blooded Armenian is like comparing apples and oranges. Furthermore, the idea that in your life foreign elements will not interfere with your cultural ways is also not the equivalent of living in Armenia and developing your Armenian identity. This is the reality of our situation as foreign Armenians. Anyone that tells you otherwise has personal motive, on the other hand, I do not have any motive other then telling you the truth.

Lastly, the idea that you can push a child towards the Armenian half is in my opinion racist and prejudice in motive. I have known so many mothers and fathers of half Armenian children that tell me in private that it is disgusting how Armenians try to impose a identity on these children and ignore that these children have another half. In which I have to agree, I feel the actions of pushing a identity onto a child is wrong no matter how the end justifies the means.

Lav elle, mi arek este yev tsze sharkek "metza mitk", yec esh chem du el esh ches.

[Alexzan]

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I didn't even know Armenians cared about what percentage Armenian you were until I came here and was told repeatedly that I was a "halfie". Right Tom? ;-)

I really don't care how people perceive me. I cook Armenian food that is better than most can make because I used to be a professional chef. I look about a billion times more Armenian than anything else so I get the weird eye in airports. I think Armenian women are THE HOTTEST WOMEN ON THE PLANET, but I don't actually know any (lmao)!! Uhh starting to learn the language. My Grandparents both came over during the genocide years and my Dad videotaped their stories several years before they passed. Their collective stories always gave me great pride in my heritage and motivates me to try and become something greater ever day. I would never consider myself anything other than Armenian and all my friends know what I am as well because I let everybody know ... because I am proud. We are truly a great people with long and honorable history.

My split is 50% Armenian, 25% English and 25% Irish. Looking at all the "halfies" around our culture just shows we are some lovey dovey people HAHA!! We take all kinds but you (Odar ... sp) will be assimilated and not the other way around! Why? Because our culture is far superior HAHAHAAA!!! So true ...

My friend.. That is pretty Armenian to me =)
As for me.. I don't believe I look Armenian though Im full
Redish hair
Light skin
xD
Im surprised.. No half Greek half Armenians?

[Lamb Boy]

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I didn't even know Armenians cared about what percentage Armenian you were until I came here and was told repeatedly that I was a "halfie". Right Tom? ;-)

I really don't care how people perceive me. I cook Armenian food that is better than most can make because I used to be a professional chef. I look about a billion times more Armenian than anything else so I get the weird eye in airports. I think Armenian women are THE HOTTEST WOMEN ON THE PLANET, but I don't actually know any (lmao)!! Uhh starting to learn the language. My Grandparents both came over during the genocide years and my Dad videotaped their stories several years before they passed. Their collective stories always gave me great pride in my heritage and motivates me to try and become something greater ever day. I would never consider myself anything other than Armenian and all my friends know what I am as well because I let everybody know ... because I am proud. We are truly a great people with long and honorable history.

My split is 50% Armenian, 25% English and 25% Irish. Looking at all the "halfies" around our culture just shows we are some lovey dovey people HAHA!! We take all kinds but you (Odar ... sp) will be assimilated and not the other way around! Why? Because our culture is far superior HAHAHAAA!!! So true ...

[Marie]

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There is no measuring unite of being Armenian.
If you feel Armenian and support the Armenian's Majorities opinion by advancing the interest of Armenia and Armenians than you are Armenian.

ok txks for u answer its right cuz for instance there are some ppl who are full armenian by blood and arent especially involving or caring about their armenian heritage..that's a pity.....

[Azad]

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how can someone be sure about being armenian or not? (except the fact to speak armenian language ..)

There is no measuring unite of being Armenian.
If you feel Armenian and support the Armenian's Majorities opinion by advancing the interest of Armenia and Armenians than you are Armenian.

[Armenian]

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he should but hes old now and too far gone into this weird life with his wife, im just glad im not like him.

If you don't start getting in touch with your inner-self you might in deed end-up like him. I do see that you are in the beginning stages of your search. I just hope you continue it.

[NightOwl]

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he should but hes old now and too far gone into this weird life with his wife, im just glad im not like him.

[NightOwl]

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Aka, yea i guess thats true but for j e wish people, if the mothers is j e w ish its in thier custom that the kids must be j e w ish, guess my cousin is a push over or a self-hating armenian

[Marie]

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If someone does not accept you because you are not full Armenian, well thats just one of the stupidest things I have ever heard..........I mean it doesnt matter where someone is, as long as you consider yourself Armenian

how can someone be sure about being armenian or not? (except the fact to speak armenian language ..)