I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look armenian

[Armenian]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Smaller populations cannot absorb larger populations. That is a fallacy.

No freak, you are a fallacy.

The reality is, invading Turks were a minority when they first arrived in the Caucasus and Anatolia. As Byzantine authority got weak, Turks gradually began to assimilated Byzantine society, namely through conversion of native Greek Christians, and to a lesser extent Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds, Slavs, etc. The Armenian nation was bled dry for centuries, the genetic traffic, however, was essentially one way - going out not coming in.

Our features are likely the result of mixing with our conquerors, enemies, and neighbors. And, as a result, true Armenian features have probably changed over the centuries. You do not see Iranians or Turks using Armenian words in their dialects but Armenians have blended their words into our tapestry of language.

Regarding looks, I suggest you go back and look at what classical peoples looked like, hundreds of years before Turks or Arabs appeared in eastern Europe, Anatolia and the Caucasus. Early Europeans, from the Basques to the Etruscans, were mostly olive skinned brunettes. As a matter of fact, some of the biggest and nastiest noses to be seen are upon Roman, Greek and "Aryan" Parthian coins. And regarding language, Iranians use a great deal of Arab and European words. Turks use a great deal of Arabic, Greek, English and Latin words. Besides, what's your point?

You need to get over your twisted obsessions regarding race. Oh, wait a minute, I forgot... You are a racist.

Our genes have not been isolated by geography, ideology or history.

Our genes have been isolated by us being a Christian nation in a sea of Islamic peoples. But we do have some Assyrian mix in us and mixing is increasing to a great deal in our times.

As naive as it may be to say that we are all blonde and blue eyes, it is equally naive to say that our features now are true 'Armenian' features.

What's naive, not to mention stupid, is the strange belief that looks somehow mean anything in reality. As long as an Armenian is a productive citizen, as long as he/she is a decent person, as long as he/she upholds Armenian identity, I don't care what they look like. Besides, some of our biggest names have looked....

Well, here, let me just say it - Armenoid!!!

You know, just like your favorite Armenians - Paruyr Sevak, Aram Khachatrayan, Frunz Dovlatyan, Monte Melkonian, Serj Tankian, etc.

[Armenian]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

So I presume you will also agree that since they are a mixture of Anatolian peoples (amongst others) then they have the right to remain in Anatolia and not the eastern side of the Caspian sea?

You can stay, as long as you:

Give back Western Armenia; pay Armenians billions of USD in reparations; convert to Greek or Assyrian Christianity; stop talking your gibberish language; and stop worshiping your alcoholic/pedophiliac/Joo deity called Ataturk.

So, its your choice. Are you going to say?

[freakyfreaky]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Um. I was trying to explain how our genes have been blended with others and used language to explain it; kind of like a metaphor.

Sorry, it must have gone over your head.

We are not isolated peoples.

[Celal]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

First of all, I don't know what language has to do with genetics. We all know that turks originated on the eastern side of the Caspian Sea, and all real turks are slanty eyed. The Iranians I consider a fairly close to us people anyway. Antolian "turks" today are a mix of all the indigenous people of Anatolia, Caucasus, Balkans, and Levant -- their asian features are existant amongst a minority.

OK you acknowledge that Anatolian Turks are genetically a mixture of indigenous peoples of Anatolia.

So I presume you will also agree that since they are a mixture of Anatolian peoples (amongst others) then they have the right to remain in Anatolia and not the eastern side of the Caspian sea?

[inyoureyes]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

heh i look more armenian than anything else...and i'm only 1/4. go figure.

[skhara]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

You do not see Iranians or Turks using Armenian words in their dialects but Armenians have blended their words into our tapestry of language.

First of all, I don't know what language has to do with genetics. We all know that turks originated on the eastern side of the Caspian Sea, and all real turks are slanty eyed. The Iranians I consider a fairly close to us people anyway. Antolian "turks" today are a mix of all the indigenous people of Anatolia, Caucasus, Balkans, and Levant -- their asian features are existant amongst a minority.

[Lucin]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Smaller populations cannot absorb larger populations. That is a fallacy. Our features are likely the result of mixing with our conquerors, enemies, and neighbors. And, as a result, true Armenian features have probably changed over the centuries. You do not see Iranians or Turks using Armenian words in their dialects but Armenians have blended their words into our tapestry of language.

Oh, really??
A large portion of our Armenian vocabulary is derived from ancient Persian (ie; Pahlavi) and not Turkish. But an overwhelming majority of Turkish vocabulary is derived from modern Persian and Arabic. Thus if you see some Armenians using 'Turkish' words; look for a Perso-Arabic origin for that word.

[TomServo]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

You do not see Iranians or Turks using Armenian words in their dialects but Armenians have blended their words into our tapestry of language.

Maybe not in state-sponsored Ataturk Turkish.

In some Anatolian dialects they use words like "bzdik" and "paghnik." I'm sure there are more words.

The word for cross is "hach."

[freakyfreaky]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

Smaller populations cannot absorb larger populations. That is a fallacy. Our features are likely the result of mixing with our conquerors, enemies, and neighbors. And, as a result, true Armenian features have probably changed over the centuries. You do not see Iranians or Turks using Armenian words in their dialects but Armenians have blended their words into our tapestry of language.

We are transitory peoples whose population has been spread across all continents, and our numbers are small relative to those nations where we have made home. Our genes have not been isolated by geography, ideology or history.

As naive as it may be to say that we are all blonde and blue eyes, it is equally naive to say that our features now are true 'Armenian' features.

We are a mosaic, a fresco of all the rays of light in the prism. And fair haired, fair eyed individuals are part of the picture and not the border.

[Armenian]

Re: I wonder why there's so much hate directed towards Armenians..who don't look arme

maybe you guys are right, its just when I was little and I read Armenian books of ancient armenian heroes and they described these heroes as having rich golden curly hair. and long ago i was told by my grandmother that the ancient armenians had these complexions. I myself have dark hair and brown eyes and so does all my family (intermediate and extended) everybody in Yerevan has a similar complexion (except russians and tourists). I also did some research and found out that armenians had the complexion features we find today with ordinary armenians. sorry guys

Genetically speaking, Armenians are quite typical of the ancient Caucasus and Anatolia. If you examine frescoes, pottery and paintings by different nations from the classical period (Hittites, Greeks, Romans, Etruscans, Assyrians, Minoans, Persians, etc) you will see that these people were overwhelmingly light skinned (and olive skinned) brunettes with prominent noses and curly/wavy hair. As for Blondism, it most probably developed within isolated pockets of the Caucasus during or soon after the last Ice Age and spread primarily northwards from there.

Ancient Armenian texts don't specifically refer to blond Armenians. For example, Vahagn's "fiery hair" is a mythological metaphor. Could they have meant blond? Perhaps, but its not clear. However, there are many Armenian folk songs that refer to golden haired and/or blue eyed girls. There are songs describing dark haired "black" eyed girls as well. The point is, original Armenians are typical of the region where they first emerged as a nation, the Caucasus and Anatolia, the Armenian Highlands. And although we Armenians are predominantly brunettes, individuals with light hair and light eyes are also naturally occurring within the Armenian nation.

Thus, an accurate statement would be: Early Armenians were Brunettes as well as Blonds. Nevertheless, the "early Armenians were all blond" myth comes from the twentieth century when people wanted to look and act "Western." The "Ken and Barbi" syndrome, if you will.

The biggest problem I have with people stating that early Armenians were blond and that we have gradually changed is the 'suggestion' that we Armenians have 'darkened' throughout the years, insinuating that we have mixed with Turks and Arabs. It's simply not true. As a matter of fact, it is regional new comers like the Turks and the Arabs that have absorbed our genetic makeup thereby making them look more or less like us.