Remember The First Holocaust

[W.E.B. Du Bois]

"Holocaust" (c)Jewish Lobby.

Oh, how nice. A little bit of Jew-bashing. Are you Armenian?

[1.5 million]

Hey WEB - your an ignorant SOB. F off!

[Joseph]

Then all those who call the Armenian Genocide the Holocuast must be insulting the dead, since they are comparing the AG with the Holocaust.

It sounds like you are comparing the Holocaust to the Armenian Genocide. Are you insulting the victims now?

I don't take such rhetorical nonsense seriously, so I will compare them for the sake of discussion. It seems to me that the Germans killed off the Jews they captured at a higher rate than did the Turks who captured and banised the Armenians. In other words, the Turkish Armenians were far more likely to survive than were German Jews.


Not at all. Genocides were hardly ever taken seriously in the past, so they can't lose something a meaning they never had.

You misunderstood my point. If you are a victim of a genocide and someone claims that another case of genocide is worse or deserving of more recognition, that would indeed be an insult. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

If it's a numbers game you would like to play:

There were upwards to 2,000,000 million Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire of which upwards to 1,500,000 were killed between 1915-1923. I would say that is a very "high rate".

Most of the Armenian members of the worldwide Armenian diaspora are the product of Armenians who left prior to the Genocide with the exception of Lebanon and Syria. Armenia itself is comprised of Armenians originally from Tbilisi, Baku, Southern Russia, and Van (where Armenians put up a fight and generally survived)

I agree with you on the last point. Hardly anyone cares about genocides and they will continue as long as humans inhabit this earth.

[1.5 million]

Joseaph don't bother with this fraud - really. He knows nothing about this issue - is likely a Turk who is just trying to stir up trouble. It takes too much effort on our part to try to answer these people by posting reasoned arguments and reposting all the support that we continually post when one such as this comes along spouting nonsense. I've given up and I'd recommend you don't waste your time either. This person should just be banned now and done with. There is no point to listening to any more of the increasingly inane nonsense we are likely to hear from it.

[Joseph]

Joseaph don't bother with this fraud - really. He knows nothing about this issue - is likely a Turk who is just trying to stir up trouble. It takes too much effort on our part to try to answer these people by posting reasoned arguments and reposting all the support that we continually post when one such as this comes along spouting nonsense. I've given up and I'd recommend you don't waste your time either. This person should just be banned now and done with. There is no point to listening to any more of the increasingly inane nonsense we are likely to hear from it.

I think you're probably correct.

[1.5 million]

Actually it does not appear he is a Turk after all. I just checked out a US political discussion forum he is an admin at and there is a thread concerning the Armenian Genocide. WEB is actually pushing for recognition of it as Genocide and an obvious Turk - Hector - is comming up with evry cheap denial argument you can imagine. No one in the forum really at all understands the history and fundemental issues beyond some basic points (where WEB at least seems to understand some basic things) - still I have no the energy to explain everything in all the detail it would take. If they really wanted to learn something they would actually read posts in the archives here and such - AND NOT JUST DISS SOMEONE WHO GIVES GOOD ADVICE CONCERNING AN EXTREMELY RELEVANT BOOK DIRECTLY ADDRESSING THE ISSUE RAISED - NOOOOOO - Instead Mr Know it all says he has no need to read or learn from others who have perhaps studied this issue a good deal more then he - yeah - you say you can make up your own mind WEB - well - thats nice - when you don;t know jack about this issue. You are another intelectual lightweight who for some unknonw reason actually thinks he knows something. LEARN TO READ IDIOT!

[W.E.B. Du Bois]

Hey WEB - your an ignorant SOB. F off!

I hope this sort of personal insults are not tolerated on this forum. It seemed like a pretty cool place before comments by this out of control person.

[W.E.B. Du Bois]

Actually it does not appear he is a Turk after all. I just checked out a US political discussion forum he is an admin at and there is a thread concerning the Armenian Genocide. WEB is actually pushing for recognition of it as Genocide and an obvious Turk - Hector - is comming up with evry cheap denial argument you can imagine. No one in the forum really at all understands the history and fundemental issues beyond some basic points (where WEB at least seems to understand some basic things) - still I have no the energy to explain everything in all the detail it would take. If they really wanted to learn something they would actually read posts in the archives here and such - AND NOT JUST DISS SOMEONE WHO GIVES GOOD ADVICE CONCERNING AN EXTREMELY RELEVANT BOOK DIRECTLY ADDRESSING THE ISSUE RAISED - NOOOOOO - Instead Mr Know it all says he has no need to read or learn from others who have perhaps studied this issue a good deal more then he - yeah - you say you can make up your own mind WEB - well - thats nice - when you don;t know jack about this issue. You are another intelectual lightweight who for some unknonw reason actually thinks he knows something. LEARN TO READ IDIOT!

Wow, a person like this rants and raves and calls someone else an idiot? Is trolling like this really tolerated here?

[W.E.B. Du Bois]

I think you're probably correct.

Oh that's too bad. I really did think you were smarter than that. I see that I was sadly mistaken. I guess anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot or a troll. That is truly a foolish attitude, but you are welcome to it.

[W.E.B. Du Bois]

Joseaph don't bother with this fraud - really. He knows nothing about this issue - is likely a Turk who is just trying to stir up trouble. It takes too much effort on our part to try to answer these people by posting reasoned arguments and reposting all the support that we continually post when one such as this comes along spouting nonsense. I've given up and I'd recommend you don't waste your time either. This person should just be banned now and done with. There is no point to listening to any more of the increasingly inane nonsense we are likely to hear from it.

I'd really be interested to see if I were the one to be banned. Is that how this forum works? Anyone who is Armenian can get to make all the insults they want, and anyone who disagrees with an Armenian gets banned? Well then by all means ban me. Then you can all agree with each other and this forum can fade back into obscurity.