Your Greek Friends Stand Beside You!

[Panos26]

1- You are yet another one of those who reads with ass and not with eye.
2- I am not denying Greek-Armenian ties, on the contrary I am saying that it is natural and go on to say that ties on an individual level are genuine but on the political level it stinks.
3- Turks have inferiority complex and are creatures not worthy of human affection and should be damned to hell... yeah well we know all that. Greeks and Armenians are the most noble of all creatures ... we will build shrines for you one day. I dont know which Turks you met but a regular Turk on the street does not see Greece as a threat or possesing political power. The general feeling is that it would take only 10 hours to beat the xxxx out of you since Greeks are not fighters but rather dolma stuffers. I do not share this feeling though, but as far as inferiorty complex goes with the Greeks it rather seems to be the exact opposite. Many Turks dont want to join the EU any more by the way.
4- I really do value Greek-Armenian comradeship among its people. You have all shared history, we have all shared common history and continue to do so.
5- I have been to Greece many times and I must admit that I love it. Even though you say the two countries are totally different I will challenge you to say that we are totally the same. It is obvious you have never been to Turkey. Our food, music, humour are the same. It even sounds like half the cuss words in Greek are Turkish. So "light years ahead"???... naaahh...And as far as Greece being the statuette example of democracy how about the opression of Turks in Greece and the widespread and ultimately stupid Greek denial of Turks in Greece: You call the Turkish minority "Muslim Greeks".. you cannot get any funnier. Turks may be doing the same thing to its minoriteis but at least we dont portray ourselves as the "culprit" of democracy among every other noble human element.

Personally I like Greek people very much because I can relate to them easily since we share a lot and are very similar. The only thing I find interestingly different sometimes is the continuing "Constantinople Trauma" that is still not over since all these centuries. Greeks still have a strong yearning for Istanbul to be Greek again and this is always verbalised by them. This never makes me angry, its just very interesting. And there is also this "Macedonia is Greek" bullxxxx. So I guess the source of the inferiority complex you attribute to Turks is coming from yourself. Dont reflect your xxxx on others mate.

1. First of all your bullxxxx remains epic....I ve been to Turkey in 2004 in Izmir and Aivalik.The economic differences are huge.I consiider truly your people live in the Middle ages on an economic level that is compared to us.Just across the borders in Kos,Rhodes or Mitilini we beat your life standards up to 7 times.
2.The bullxxxx about the minority comes from a Turk....Hahaha how pathetic.While i do admit we are bastards towards our minorities you call the Greek minority a christian one,the same with the Armenian etc.Go be critical against Turkey and not my country which actually lives in one of the most modern countries is the EU.
3.While i do admit there are astonish similarities between Greek and Turkish people(food music etc) i never debated anything other than how backward Turkey is compared to Greece on a cultural and mainly economic level.

4.Hahaha save the bullxxxx that you can attack Greece in 10 hours for the Kurds or the belivers.You are dealing with a country that has one of the most modern airforces in the world.Greece can have you fighting over the Aegean practically for ever.Proportioannaly we have exactly the same number of aircrafts(you beat us by 30 F16 if i am not wrong)....save your bullxxxx for a weak neighbour of yours not Greece who is your most powerfull neighbour and you all know it.We are 11m you are 70m and we have almost the same airforce power,go get educated.

5.About Istanbul.Hahahha.How uneducated can you be mate?I mean how?Is that what your grandpa says about the Greeks?I dont give a xxxx about Istanbul and only retarded nationalist Greeks still live in the 1453 era.That is a true sign of how uneducated you are about the Greek public opinion.The overwhelming majority of Greeks dont give a flying f*ck about that.Maybe it is the Turks who think like that about the Greeks,the Greeks are actually living in a modern society in the PRESENT not i the past live retarded Turkish villagers.

6.Lastly about Macedonia.How pathetic once again.I am a Greek Macedonian (not a SlavMacedonian like the Fyromians).An average Greek doesnt give a xxxx about the name dispute we have with the neighbouring country.I have no problem accepting them under the name Macedonia and as macedonians as long as we get guarantees of non-history claims over ancient Greek history.That bullxxxx is so outdated that the Greeks dont care about a name dispute.


Go educate the Kurds on how modern Turkey is and leave Greece to be the trully modern and most evolved country economically in the area.

[Steph]

1 Go educate the Kurds on how modern Turkey is and leave Greece to be the trully modern and most evolved country economically in the area.

Panos, I love Greece and nearly all things Greek.......tell me, when am I going to be able to flush my toilet tissues in Corfu??????

[hitite]

1. First of all your bullxxxx remains epic....I ve been to Turkey in 2004 in Izmir and Aivalik.The economic differences are huge.I consiider truly your people live in the Middle ages on an economic level that is compared to us.Just across the borders in Kos,Rhodes or Mitilini we beat your life standards up to 7 times.
2.The bullxxxx about the minority comes from a Turk....Hahaha how pathetic.While i do admit we are bastards towards our minorities you call the Greek minority a christian one,the same with the Armenian etc.Go be critical against Turkey and not my country which actually lives in one of the most modern countries is the EU.
3.While i do admit there are astonish similarities between Greek and Turkish people(food music etc) i never debated anything other than how backward Turkey is compared to Greece on a cultural and mainly economic level.

4.Hahaha save the bullxxxx that you can attack Greece in 10 hours for the Kurds or the belivers.You are dealing with a country that has one of the most modern airforces in the world.Greece can have you fighting over the Aegean practically for ever.Proportioannaly we have exactly the same number of aircrafts(you beat us by 30 F16 if i am not wrong)....save your bullxxxx for a weak neighbour of yours not Greece who is your most powerfull neighbour and you all know it.We are 11m you are 70m and we have almost the same airforce power,go get educated.

5.About Istanbul.Hahahha.How uneducated can you be mate?I mean how?Is that what your grandpa says about the Greeks?I dont give a xxxx about Istanbul and only retarded nationalist Greeks still live in the 1453 era.That is a true sign of how uneducated you are about the Greek public opinion.The overwhelming majority of Greeks dont give a flying f*ck about that.Maybe it is the Turks who think like that about the Greeks,the Greeks are actually living in a modern society in the PRESENT not i the past live retarded Turkish villagers.

6.Lastly about Macedonia.How pathetic once again.I am a Greek Macedonian (not a SlavMacedonian like the Fyromians).An average Greek doesnt give a xxxx about the name dispute we have with the neighbouring country.I have no problem accepting them under the name Macedonia and as macedonians as long as we get guarantees of non-history claims over ancient Greek history.That bullxxxx is so outdated that the Greeks dont care about a name dispute.


Go educate the Kurds on how modern Turkey is and leave Greece to be the trully modern and most evolved country economically in the area.

1- Economically you are superior. We are really a poor country when it comes to per capita income. In terms of GDP things are a little different.
2- At least we never call Greeks "Christian Turks". We call them Greeks and Armenians.... I dont understand what is wrong with that.
3- Economically superior on a per capita basis I accept but culturally superior?? What is your criteria? Why are you constantly asserting that you are so superior in some sort of way. Ok ...you're the best.....
4- Well if only you are our only threat and strongest neighbor why should we need more F16's than you? Wouldnt that be stupid to spend all that money? And I did say I dont share the same feeling. I do not foresee any type of war in the near future with you guys.
5- Well a lot of the Greeks I've seen and met were like that but if you say they are not I will have to accept since you would know better. I have read "Western" books about this "Trauma" and seeing this in the people I met led to my assumption. By the way those retarded Turkish villagers were the ones that kicked you out of Anatolia in the early 20th century despite your being far superior militarily, economically and err... culturally.
6- Many places I go in Greece I see maps of Macedonia and signs of "Macedonia is Greek". I guess these are just old maps and signs people forgot to pull down....

[Panos26]

Panos, I love Greece and nearly all things Greek.......tell me, when am I going to be able to flush my toilet tissues in Corfu??????

When will i visit Ayvalik and not collapse bsc of the dirt Turkey has?Is that an argument about the toilet system of Greece?Does that make Turkey more modern?

[Panos26]

1- Economically you are superior. We are really a poor country when it comes to per capita income. In terms of GDP things are a little different.
2- At least we never call Greeks "Christian Turks". We call them Greeks and Armenians.... I dont understand what is wrong with that.
3- Economically superior on a per capita basis I accept but culturally superior?? What is your criteria? Why are you constantly asserting that you are so superior in some sort of way. Ok ...you're the best.....
4- Well if only you are our only threat and strongest neighbor why should we need more F16's than you? Wouldnt that be stupid to spend all that money? And I did say I dont share the same feeling. I do not foresee any type of war in the near future with you guys.
5- Well a lot of the Greeks I've seen and met were like that but if you say they are not I will have to accept since you would know better. I have read "Western" books about this "Trauma" and seeing this in the people I met led to my assumption. By the way those retarded Turkish villagers were the ones that kicked you out of Anatolia in the early 20th century despite your being far superior militarily, economically and err... culturally.
6- Many places I go in Greece I see maps of Macedonia and signs of "Macedonia is Greek". I guess these are just old maps and signs people forgot to pull down....

Spare me the irony mate.
The nationalists in Greece are only down to 2 or 3% and they are the only ones having this bullxxxx dreams of Istanbul etc,they are not even in the parliament,unlike Turkey.
Regarding Macedonia,we occupy 52% of Macedonia and the dispute is only over a NAME.If any level headed Greek citizen truly gives a xxxx about a dispute over a NAME then i should commit a harakiri.

About Minor Asia,it was us who recaptured the place in 1920 right?You were only fighting your war of independence at the time.
Remember how we slaughtered your ancestors in Navarino,Mani,Aigio,Patra,Kalamata,Souli in 1821-1832?Dont get me wrong but you owe the fall of the Ottoman Empire to those nasty little Greeks that were the first and only nation to fight for their independence.The first nation to oppose you and finnally beat you and get their independence in 1832,all the rest followed many decades later like Bulgaria Serbia etc 50 years later.....While the past 100 years we tripled in size you only shrunk and shrunk.You have 6 times our population and Turkey hardly occypies more land than Greece.

Oh and culturally you are better?Tell me please how ''culturally'' superior is a country that has planned carefully the extermination of another nation?Were you boosting your ''cultural'' superiority towards the Greeks when you were exterminating the Armenian nation??Sell you bullxxxx to the Kurds mate.Now the Armenians have their country and they will make Turkey suffer its actions.Already due to the Armenians Turkey is regarded a bullxxxx country all together.

Oh and about war i dont foresee it either NOT bsc Greece will loose BUT bsc for Turkey is not desirable...You know the world impact it will have.And not to mention the losses...I told you Greece is neither the Kurds or a smaller country like Armenia.We can make you dance Zorba in the Aegean for ever and your people very very well know it due to the same airforce power we have.It will be madness for Turkey to oppose a country that has the same airforce power.Not to mention that our airforce is light years ahead and much more modern than yours.We spend almost 10% of our GDP to have a ready army to oppose Turkey any time.

[hitite]

Spare me the irony mate.
The nationalists in Greece are only down to 2 or 3% and they are the only ones having this bullxxxx dreams of Istanbul etc,they are not even in the parliament,unlike Turkey.
Regarding Macedonia,we occupy 52% of Macedonia and the dispute is only over a NAME.If any level headed Greek citizen truly gives a xxxx about a dispute over a NAME then i should commit a harakiri.

About Minor Asia,it was us who recaptured the place in 1920 right?You were only fighting your war of independence at the time.
Remember how we slaughtered your ancestors in Navarino,Mani,Aigio,Patra,Kalamata,Souli in 1821-1832?Dont get me wrong but you owe the fall of the Ottoman Empire to those nasty little Greeks that were the first and only nation to fight for their independence.The first nation to oppose you and finnally beat you and get their independence in 1832,all the rest followed many decades later like Bulgaria Serbia etc 50 years later.....While the past 100 years we tripled in size you only shrunk and shrunk.You have 6 times our population and Turkey hardly occypies more land than Greece.

Oh and culturally you are better?Tell me please how ''culturally'' superior is a country that has planned carefully the extermination of another nation?Were you boosting your ''cultural'' superiority towards the Greeks when you were exterminating the Armenian nation??Sell you bullxxxx to the Kurds mate.Now the Armenians have their country and they will make Turkey suffer its actions.Already due to the Armenians Turkey is regarded a bullxxxx country all together.

Oh and about war i dont foresee it either NOT bsc Greece will loose BUT bsc for Turkey is not desirable...You know the world impact it will have.And not to mention the losses...I told you Greece is neither the Kurds or a smaller country like Armenia.We can make you dance Zorba in the Aegean for ever and your people very very well know it due to the same airforce power we have.It will be madness for Turkey to oppose a country that has the same airforce power.Not to mention that our airforce is light years ahead and much more modern than yours.We spend almost 10% of our GDP to have a ready army to oppose Turkey any time.

I value your explanation about "Istanbul" and "Macedonia". I have changed my mind since the people I met, mostly in the Thessaloniki area, may have been more nationalists than others. I did not see much of this in Athens.

The Ottomans were bound to collapse as any Greek, Armenian or American Empire would too and the Greek war of independence is a remarkable story. The Greek-Turkish battles of Inonu and Sakarya are also extraordinary and that story my friend is the story of how the Turkish peasant, without any shoes and some flimsy weapons probably from Russia fought against the strong Greek army who clinged to the fatal notion of bringing the Megali Idea into the heart of Anatolia partly as puppets of the English Empire. You fought yours, we fought ours so we are even right?

You are so abound by the complex you see in Turks yourself that you simply make yourself look like an ASS. Did I say anywhere that I thought Turks are culturally superior? No. I was just questioning your reasoning. I could not say that any culture is superior to another, nobody should. Turkey may be regarded as a bullxxxx country (and Lord does that statement break my heart) but at least we are not considered "the spoilt boy of Europe". Please dont forget that the strong Economy you so brag about is a result of Billions of Euros pouring into Greece over the decades from the EC and later the EU. You are so full of pride you forget to take a look at yourself to see how your industry in many fields has been going downhill so fast. Soon you will only be left with Tourism and Sea transportation, period.

You insist that Turkish people know how militarily superior you are and that they fear you. This is not the case. You are not seen as a threat in any psychological manner and a much smaller threat in military terms when compared to our south east border. The only military activity there is between Greece and Turkey are "friendly" dogfights over the Aegean which serve as training for our pilots and small disputes over islands inhabited by goats or donkeys.

[Steph]

When will i visit Ayvalik and not collapse bsc of the dirt Turkey has?Is that an argument about the toilet system of Greece?Does that make Turkey more modern?

Kale spera
My post was not an argument about the Greek toilet system but a statement, a fact, Panos and you know it to be true.
Not meant to offend you either but really, for the price of one or two of those F16s Greece could update their sewage system, no?

Does it make turkey more modern???? I thought that was why turks traditionally wear the loose baggy trousers!

[Gavur]

Any victory against the dreaded Turk is a victory for the Orthodox church ,who the world tryed to extinct with a lots of success past 150 years.

[Panos26]

I value your explanation about "Istanbul" and "Macedonia". I have changed my mind since the people I met, mostly in the Thessaloniki area, may have been more nationalists than others. I did not see much of this in Athens.

The Ottomans were bound to collapse as any Greek, Armenian or American Empire would too and the Greek war of independence is a remarkable story. The Greek-Turkish battles of Inonu and Sakarya are also extraordinary and that story my friend is the story of how the Turkish peasant, without any shoes and some flimsy weapons probably from Russia fought against the strong Greek army who clinged to the fatal notion of bringing the Megali Idea into the heart of Anatolia partly as puppets of the English Empire. You fought yours, we fought ours so we are even right?

You are so abound by the complex you see in Turks yourself that you simply make yourself look like an ASS. Did I say anywhere that I thought Turks are culturally superior? No. I was just questioning your reasoning. I could not say that any culture is superior to another, nobody should. Turkey may be regarded as a bullxxxx country (and Lord does that statement break my heart) but at least we are not considered "the spoilt boy of Europe". Please dont forget that the strong Economy you so brag about is a result of Billions of Euros pouring into Greece over the decades from the EC and later the EU. You are so full of pride you forget to take a look at yourself to see how your industry in many fields has been going downhill so fast. Soon you will only be left with Tourism and Sea transportation, period.

You insist that Turkish people know how militarily superior you are and that they fear you. This is not the case. You are not seen as a threat in any psychological manner and a much smaller threat in military terms when compared to our south east border. The only military activity there is between Greece and Turkey are "friendly" dogfights over the Aegean which serve as training for our pilots and small disputes over islands inhabited by goats or donkeys.

I am not debating whether you have the biggest problems with Greece.We all know that you face much more serious problem in the south,so Greece is in no way trying to overlook that issue,that is why we have been supportive of your EU entry BUT i am debating that Greece is a strong military power in the region of the Balkans i didnt say we are military superior,i just said that only in your dreams you will be able to take Greece in 10 hours.If god forbid a war takes place between our two countries it shall be a bloodshed we are not a Kurdish minority,rather than a strong european country that can easily help paralyze Turkey internally if a war happens.So dont twist my words.


Regarding the billion euros we get,yes it is a fact yet your overoptimism of Greece being left only with Tourism is only laughable at best.No european or internationall body shares your wishful thinking about Greece,which is considered by all main EU and International bodies as the ONLY DEVELOPED COUNTRY in the balkan region. we stopped being a developing country like all our rest neighbours a decade ago we are now a strong and devoloped one unlike our neighbours who are described as developing.


Now,will Turkey give us an indication of not being a backward country in tommorrow's elections?Or the nationalists will again enter the parliament???You cant debate democracy mate if you have nationalists in your country's parliament.No good democracy internationally doesnt have nationalists in the parliament....

[hitite]

Now,will Turkey give us an indication of not being a backward country in tommorrow's elections?Or the nationalists will again enter the parliament???You cant debate democracy mate if you have nationalists in your country's parliament.No good democracy internationally doesnt have nationalists in the parliament....

The party that you could particularly describe as a nationalist one, MHP, has not had much success over the years and recently after the death of Alparslan Turkeş their rascist tone (if there was any) has turned down a notch.

AKP (the current govt.) is not a party of nationalists, nor is CHP but all parties claim they are.

Tomorrow we will see AKP, CHP and possibly MHP find seats in parliament. Will this make us backward?