Your Greek Friends Stand Beside You!

[Steph]

Panos,
I've just started reading a book titled "Twice a Stranger" by Bruce Clark about the mass expulsions of 1923, have you read this?

[Panos26]

The party that you could particularly describe as a nationalist one, MHP, has not had much success over the years and recently after the death of Alparslan Turkeş their rascist tone (if there was any) has turned down a notch.

AKP (the current govt.) is not a party of nationalists, nor is CHP but all parties claim they are.

Tomorrow we will see AKP, CHP and possibly MHP find seats in parliament. Will this make us backward?

I am talking about the grey wolves.They are fighting to get the 10% base to enter the parliament right?
How do they promote a modern Turkey when every time they find excuses to attack the Kurds,the Armenians and even the Ecumenical Patriarhate in Istanbul?
More so,what about the bastard Dean of the University of Istanbul that said last month that Turkey should invade Cyprus and GREECE!!!!!Even if 150.000 Turkish soldiers die in the war with Greece.How does this bullxxxx person you have as a Dean promote a modern European country ha?


PS.That is what i want for our countries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LfnRHyQ8LY

What about the Grey wolves?

[Panos26]

Panos,
I've just started reading a book titled "Twice a Stranger" by Bruce Clark about the mass expulsions of 1923, have you read this?

It does ring a bell,but nothing more.Is it about the Greek expulsions from Izmir?

[Steph]

It does ring a bell,but nothing more.Is it about the Greek expulsions from Izmir?

It covers the entire expulsions from the Aegean to Pontic coast and Anatolian interior. Having only just started it seems to be concentrating in the early pages on Ayvali.
Clark has used a structured mix of official records and face-to-face interviews with survivors of the era.
Unfortunately, whilst the author has obviously well-researched this book, he seems to have no idea of other indigenous races within the ottoman empire.

[Panos26]

It covers the entire expulsions from the Aegean to Pontic coast and Anatolian interior. Having only just started it seems to be concentrating in the early pages on Ayvali.
Clark has used a structured mix of official records and face-to-face interviews with survivors of the era.
Unfortunately, whilst the author has obviously well-researched this book, he seems to have no idea of other indigenous races within the ottoman empire.

We all know that there were indeed mass expulsions of the Greek population but bsc i want to be fair,Greece can not substantiate an argument against Turkey for mass planned killing of its population like Armenia is claiming.We are claiming a number of 30.000 people being killed from Turkey in 1922 and Turkey is claiming around the same number of Turks killed by Greeks.
We must understand that during the 1920's the Greek army was indeed a powerful against Turkey plus we had the support of the Great Powers.The expulsions were only natural since we lost the war in 1922 in Izmir.At the times the Turks were fighting their independence war against Greece since we had been occupying the biggest part of Ionia and Minor Asia.

The Greeks on the other hand can not face a defeat easily.When we sensed that we are loosing Izmir we burnt down the city so the Turks will have nothing left when they enter.Venizelos ordered to burn down the whole of the city so the Turks will be devasted when they enter the town.It is called psychological war....The Turks could not touch the Greeks at the time,since most were abandoning Izmir to go to the neighbouring Greek islands but they could touch the Armenian's since the power of Armenia was limited compared to Greek power on the territory,so what we started by putting fire to the whole of Izmir,the Turks finished it by burning down the Armenian suburbs of Izmir....

[imported_Strabo]

While the Turks did actually commit crimes after the 1974 invasion,the Greek side is also responsible for the killing of almost 30.000 Turkish Cypriots between 1955 and 1974.The bloodiest being between 1963-1974.So in no way i am not gonna deny what history has written on Cyprus, because it is our fault also but the Turks have the audacity for 33 years to try and make legal the occupation by trying to lift the embargoes against the pseudo-state of Northern Cyprus.
Besides only Turkey recognizes the pseudo-state Denktas created.

Bloody Hell, Panos! Where did that number come from ?

Try these numbers! From the Turks themselves,
800 deaths here http://www.kibrisliturksehitler.com/sehitler.htm
and 500 missing here www.atcanews.org/archive/missing.pdf

And half of these deaths are happening AT THE SAME TIME the invading Turks are on the island "peace operating" 6000+ Greeks.

[imported_Strabo]

The Greeks on the other hand can not face a defeat easily.When we sensed that we are loosing Izmir we burnt down the city so the Turks will have nothing left when they enter.Venizelos ordered to burn down the whole of the city so the Turks will be devasted when they enter the town.It is called psychological war....The Turks could not touch the Greeks at the time,since most were abandoning Izmir to go to the neighbouring Greek islands but they could touch the Armenian's since the power of Armenia was limited compared to Greek power on the territory,so what we started by putting fire to the whole of Izmir,the Turks finished it by burning down the Armenian suburbs of Izmir....

Panos, we burnt down Turkish property in the Peloponese back in our Independence struggle in the 1820s ? Why did we do that ? Think about it! Do you think the Turks may have burnt down Greek property in Smyrna for a similar reason ?

[Panos26]

Bloody Hell, Panos! Where did that number come from ?

Try these numbers! From the Turks themselves,
800 deaths here http://www.kibrisliturksehitler.com/sehitler.htm
and 500 missing here www.atcanews.org/archive/missing.pdf

And half of these deaths are happening AT THE SAME TIME the invading Turks are on the island "peace operating" 6000+ Greeks.

First of all i cant read Turkish.Second the Turkish Cypriots are claiming 25.000 to 30.000 dead up to 74.There is absolutely no way i am to believe the Greek propaganda that we did not commit attrocities on Cyprus.The Greek side has been the most vicious on the Island.Sorry to say that.We used our majority and the Greeks had it comming.Even though i hate the division to stand on the Island but we have to admit that Turkey's invasion has helped to establish the peace in Cyprus, prooving that the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots can not live together in peace...mainly due to the Greek Cypriot's aspirations to be united with Greece back in the 60's-70's.

Plus i dont know what Turkey is claiming.I am saying what the pseudo-state is claiming.

Check what they are claiming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q18HZVozrgk

[Panos26]

Panos, we burnt down Turkish property in the Peloponese back in our Independence struggle in the 1820s ? Why did we do that ? Think about it! Do you think the Turks may have burnt down Greek property in Smyrna for a similar reason ?

No.It was us who burnt Smirni,we know that despite of not wanting to admit it.We did out of our megalomania not allow the Turks to have anything in Smirni.The Turks merely finished it by wanting to get rid of the Armenians,so they burnt the Armenian parts of the city.That is how i know history.Tottaly unbiased from my Greek upbringing.I always want to be fair on what i say that is why i always read history from neutral sources.

[Gavur]

Panos whats your source on the Greek burning Smyrna?