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  • Personal violence
    While the pogromists were not instructed to kill their targets, sections of the mob went much further than scaring or intimidating local Greeks. Between 13 and 16 Greeks and one Armenian (including two clerics) died as a result of the pogrom. 32 Greeks were severely wounded. Men and women were raped, and according to the account of the Turkish writer Aziz Nesin, men, mainly priests, were subjected to forced circumcision by frenzied members of the mob and an Armenian priest died after the procedure. Nesin wrote [citation needed]:
    A man who was fearful of being beaten, lynched or cut into pieces would imply and try to prove that he was both a Turk and a Muslim. "Pull it out and let us see," they would reply. The poor man would peel off his trousers and show his "Muslimness" and "Turkishness": And what was the proof? That he had been circumcised. If the man was circumcised, he was saved. If not, he was doomed. Indeed, having lied, he could not be saved from a beating. For one of those aggressive young men would draw his knife and circumcise him in the middle of the street and amid the chaos. A difference of two or three centimetres does not justify such a commotion. That night, many men shouting and screaming were Islamized forcefully by the cruel knife. Among those circumcised there was also a priest.
    [edit]Material damage
    The physical and material damage was considerable and over 4,348 Greek-owned businesses, 110 hotels, 27 pharmacies, 23 schools, 21 factories, and 73 churches and over 1,000 Greek-owned homes were badly attacked or destroyed.
    "I was in the street that day and I remember very clearly," said Mehmet Ali Zeren, 70. "In a jewelry store, one guy had a hammer and he was breaking pearls one by one.". "Good people, good friends (the Greeks) but the army wanted to evaporate non-Turks"
    [edit]Church property


    Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras in the ruins of the church of Saint Constantine
    In addition to commercial targets, the mob clearly targeted property owned or administered by the Greek Orthodox Church. 73 churches and 23 schools were vandalized, burned or destroyed, as were 8 asperses and 3 monasteries. This represented about 90 percent of the church property portfolio in the city. The ancient Byzantine church of Panagia in Veligradiou was vandalised and burned down. The church at Yedikule was badly vandalised, as was the church of St. Constantine of Psammathos. At Zoodochos Pege church in Bal?kl?, the tombs of a number of ecumenical patriarchs were smashed open and desecrated. The abbot of the monastery, Bishop Gerasimos of Pamphilos, was severely beaten during the pogrom and died from his wounds some days later in Bal?kl? Hospital. In one church arson attack, Father Chrysanthos Mandas was burned alive. The Metropolitan of Liloupolis, Gennadios, was badly beaten and went mad. Elsewhere in the city, Greek cemeteries came under attack and were desecrated. Some reports also testified that relics of saints were burned or thrown to dogs.
    [edit]Witnesses
    An eyewitness account was provided by journalist Noel Barber of the London Daily Mail on 14 September 1955:
    “ The church of Yedikule was utterly smashed, and one priest was dragged from bed, the hair torn from his head and the beard literally torn from his chin. Another old Greek priest [Fr Mantas] in a house belonging to the church and who was too ill to be moved was left in bed, and the house was set on fire and he was burned alive. At the church of Yeniköy, a lovely spot on the edge of the Bosporus, a priest of 75 was taken out into the street, stripped of every stitch of clothing, tied behind a car and dragged through the streets. They tried to tear the hair of another priest, but failing that, they scalped him, as they did many others. ”
    One significant eyewitness was Ian Fleming, the James Bond author, who was in Istanbul covering the International Police Conference as a special representative for the London Sunday Times. His account, entitled "The Great Riot of Istanbul", appeared in that paper on 11 September 1955.
    [edit]Secondary action
    While the pogrom was predominantly an Istanbul affair, there were some outrages in other Turkish cities. On the morning of 7 September 1955 In ?zmir (Smyrna), a mob overran the ?zmir National Park, where an international exhibition was taking place, and burned the Greek pavilion. Moving next to the Church of Saint Fotini, built two years earlier to serve the needs of the Greek officers (serving at NATO Regional Headquarters), the mob destroyed it completely. The homes of the few Greek families and officers were then looted.
    [edit]Documentation
    Considerable contemporary documentation showing the extent of the destruction is provided by the photographs taken by Demetrios Kaloumenos, then official photographer of the Ecumenical Patriarchate. Setting off just hours after the pogrom began, Kaloumenos set out with his camera to capture the damage and smuggled the film to Greece.
    [edit]Reactions

    Although the Menderes government attempted to blame Turkish Communists for the pogrom, most foreign observers were aware of who was to blame. In a letter of 15 November 1955 to prime minister Menderes, Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras graphically described the crimes inflicted on his flock. “The very foundation of a civilisation which is the heritage of centuries, the property of all mankind, has been gravely attacked”, he wrote, adding: “All of us, without any defence, spent moments of agony, and in vain sought and waited for protection from those responsible for order and tranquillity”.
    The chargé d’affaires at the British Embassy in Ankara, Michael Stewart, directly implicated Menderes’ Demokrat Parti in the execution of the attack. “There is fairly reliable evidence that local Demokrat Parti representatives were among the leaders of the rioting in various parts of Istanbul, notably in the Marmara islands, and it has been argued that only the Demokrat Parti had the political organisation in the country capable of demonstrations on the scale that occurred,” he reported, refusing to assign blame to the party as a whole or Menderes personally, however.
    Although British Ambassador to Ankara Bowker advised British Foreign Secretary Harold Macmillan that the United Kingdom should “court a sharp rebuff by admonishing Turkey”, only a note of distinctly mild disapproval was dispatched to Menderes. The context of the Cold War led Britain and the U.S. to absolve the Menderes government of the direct political blame that it was due. The efforts of Greece to internationalize the human rights violations through international organizations such as the UN and NATO found little sympathy. British NATO representative Cheetham deemed it “undesirable” to probe the pogrom. US representative Edwin Martin thought the effect on the alliance was exaggerated, and the French, Belgians and Norwegians urged the Greeks to “let bygones be bygones”. Indeed, the North Atlantic Council issued a statement that the Turkish government had done everything that could be expected.
    More outspoken was the World Council of Churches, given the damage wrought on 90 percent of Istanbul’s Greek Orthodox churches, and a delegation was sent to Istanbul to inspect the havoc.
    [edit]Aftermath

    As private insurance did not exist in Turkey at the time, the only hope the pogrom's victims had for compensation was from the Turkish state. Although Turkish President Mahmut Celal Bayar announced that “the victims of the destruction shall be compensated”, there was little political will or financial means to carry out such a promise. In the end, Greeks ended up receiving about 20 percent of their claims due to the fact that the assessed values of their properties had already been vastly reduced.
    Tensions continued and in 1958–1959, Turkish nationalist students embarked on a campaign encouraging the boycott of all Greek businesses. The task was completed eight years later in 1964 when the Ankara government reneged on the 1930 Greco-Turkish Ankara Convention, which established the right of Greek etablis (Greeks who were born and lived in Istanbul but held Greek citizenship) to live and work in Turkey. Deported with two day’s notice, the Greek community of Istanbul shrunk from 80,000 (or 100,000 by some accounts) persons in 1955 to only 48,000 in 1965. Today, the Greek community numbers about 5,000, mostly older, Greeks.
    After the military coup of 1960, Menderes and Zorlu were charged with violating the constitution at the Yassiada Trial in 1960–61. The trial also made reference to the pogrom, for which they were blamed. While the accused were denied fundamental rights regarding their defence, they were found guilty and sentenced to death by hanging.
    Oktay Engin, the agent who attempted the arson in Salonica, had continued to work at M?T for years until 1992 when he was promoted to the office of governor for Nev?ehir Province.
    In August 1995, the US Senate passed a special resolution marking the September 1955 pogrom, calling on the President of the United States Bill Clinton to proclaim 6 September as a Day of Memory for the victims of the pogrom.
    [edit]Notes

    ^ Dilek Güven, “6–7 Eylül Olaylar? (1)”, Radikal, 6 September 2005
    ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l Speros Vryonis, The Mechanism of Catastrophe: The Turkish Pogrom of September 6–7, 1955, and the Destruction of the Greek Community of Istanbul, New York: Greekworks.com 2005, ISBN 978-0-9747660-3-4
    ^ Turkish currency exchange rates 1923-1990
    ^ According to figures presented by Prof. Vyron Kotzamanis to a conference of unions and federations representing the ethnic Greeks of Istanbul."Ethnic Greeks of Istanbul convene", Athens News Agency, 2 July 2006.
    [edit]References

    Fahri Çoker: 6–7 Eylül Olaylar? : Foto?raflar - Belgeler. Fahri Çoker Ar?ivi. Istanbul, 2005, ISBN 978-975-333-197-5
    Dilek Güven: Cumhuriyet Donemi Azinlik Politikalari Baglaminda 6 - 7 Eylul Olaylari. . Istanbul, 2005, ISBN 978-975-333-196-8
    Speros Vryonis, The Mechanism of Catastrophe: The Turkish Pogrom of September 6–7, 1955, and the Destruction of the Greek Community of Istanbul, New York: Greekworks.com 2005, ISBN 978-0-9747660-3-4
    George Gilson, “Destroying a minority: Turkey’s attack on the Greeks”, Athens News, 24 June 2005.
    Ilias K. Maglinis, “Istanbul 1955: The anatomy of a pogrom”, Kathimerini, 28 June 2005.
    Robert Holland, Britain and the Revolt in Cyprus, 1954–59, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1998, pp. 75–78.
    Ali Tuna Kuyucu, “Ethno-religious 'unmixing' of 'Turkey': 6–7 September riots as a case in Turkish nationalism”, in Nations and Nationalism, 11:3 (2005), pp. 361–380.
    Indymedia Istanbul, “50. y?l?nda 6-7 Eylül Olaylar?”.
    Mehmet Ali Birand, “The shame of Sept. 6–7 is always with us”, Turkish Daily News, 7 September 2005.
    The Washington Post, “In Turkey, a Clash of Nationalism and History”, an article by Karl Vick referring to the events as a “pogrom”.
    Do?u ERG?L “"Past as present" Turkish Daily News 12 September 2005 "16 dead and dozens of wounded citizens of Greek origin"
    [edit]See also

    Cyprus dispute
    Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922)
    Armenian Genocide
    Assyrian Genocide
    Pontic Greek Genocide
    Anti-Armenianism
    Foreign relations of Turkey
    Accession of Turkey to the European Union
    Second-class citizen
    Pogrom
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    Athens protests latest desecration of Orthodox cemetery in Turkey
    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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    • Good Letter

      From: Luder Tavit Sahagian <[email protected]>
      Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:54:21 -0400
      Subject: Letter to the Editory of The Washington Times

      Genocide as policy

      Regarding Bruce Fein's Sunday Commentary column, "Tawdry genocide
      tale," one must consider the source: Mr. Fein is a resident scholar at
      the Turkish Coalition of America. What he appears to be saying is that
      the Armenians asked for their own death and destruction.

      Mr. Fein makes the same mistake too many "experts" make. It is a fact
      that almost as many Greek martyrs died at the hands of the Turks as
      did Armenians. U.S. Ambassador Henry Morgenthau wrote in 1918, "The
      Armenians are not the only subject people in Turkey which have
      suffered from this policy of making Turkey exclusively the country of
      the Turks.

      "The story which I have told about the Armenians I could also tell
      with certain modifications about the Greeks and the Syrians. Indeed
      the Greeks were the first victims of this nationalizing idea," he
      said. In addition, 750,000 Assyrians also perished during the genocide
      of Christian victims in Asia Minor.

      Adolf Hitler" is quoted by Louis Lochner in his 1943 book "What About
      Germany" as saying in 1939: "Who, after all, speaks today of the
      annihilation of the Armenians? The world believes in success only."


      STELLA L. JATRAS
      Camp Hill, Pa.

      Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...plate=nextpage
      General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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      • The above is a good site for further information.
        General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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        • Originally posted by Joseph View Post
          http://turkishmurderers.com/horton/horton.html

          The above is a good site for further information.


          The Blight of Asia

          By

          GEORGE HORTON
          For Thirty Years Consul and Consul-General of the
          United States in the Near East


          With a Foreword by

          JAMES W. GERARD
          Former Ambassador to Germany
          General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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          • Greek Americans stand with Armenians in recognizing Armenian Genocide
            13.12.2007 18:19 GMT+04:00
            /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The wall of genocide denial, obstructing the recognition - and future prevention - of the scourge of genocide is finally crumbling, Greek NEO Magazine says.

            “Despite decades-long, state - sponsored and now multi-million dollar campaigning by Turkey to distort history, buy off politicians, and threaten the interests of nations with the courage to recognize history, the issue of the Armenian Genocide by Ottoman Turkey between 1915 and 1923 has again come into focus.

            “Armenians have not been alone in this fight for justice. Greek Americans have been a longtime ally, working hand-in-hand with Armenians for official recognition of their past. Like the Armenians, they too are the orphans of genocide. Between 1914 and 1923 Ottoman Turkey slaughtered over a million Greeks in Asia Minor and Pontus and burned the Greek city of Smyrna annihilating its population. The Pontian Genocide shattered the lifeblood of an ancient community, completely removing any collective Greek presence in Asia Minor--a land they had inhabited for three thousand years. In 1997, legislation was introduced in Congress commemorating the Greek genocide. Met with opposition from Turkey, the resolution did not leave committee.

            “The success of Armenian and Greek advocacy is that they have finally been able to break the wall of denial; the facts of the Armenian Genocide are no longer debated. It is uncertain when the resolution will come to a vote in the House, but Armenian and Greek Americans will continue to stand together to convince elected officials that there is no better time to recognize genocide than now,” the article reads.
            General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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            • Although its a from wikipedia, it still gives a good background about what happened in 1955.
              General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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              • Originally posted by Joseph View Post
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Pogrom


                Although its a from wikipedia, it still gives a good background about what happened in 1955.
                General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                • Originally posted by NikosSampson View Post
                  We Greeks will always recognize the Turkish barbarity of the Genocide. We will always see what nationalistic nazis these people are. They did the same in Cyprus. We do not forget what they did to you! And we stand shoulder to shoulder!
                  And your comparing Anatolia 1915 to Cyprus 1974? Nice try but no.

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                  • Comparing Anatolia 1915 to Cyprus 1974...

                    Originally posted by Turkish Pride View Post
                    And your comparing Anatolia 1915 to Cyprus 1974? Nice try but no.
                    With all due respect, Cyprus is merely a continuation of atrocities committed by Turks. Several years ago, a caller into C-SPAN, a respected United States Cable program, said that when the Turks invaded Cyprus in 1974, the Turkish butchers cut off the head of her twin eight-year-old sister, and if ever they were to return to Cypus to fight, she would go back and kill every Turk she could get her hands on.

                    It was all there - beheadings, the cutting off of breasts, rapes, murders by America's Turkish friends, perhaps not on the scale of Asia Minor, but certainly a genocide and not to be shrugged off so calously as "Nice Try, but "no." The Greek Cypriot martyrs do not deserve this.

                    I hope you will be able to pull up my commentary, "Hellenic Genocide: Was it a "Catastrophe" or a "Disaster."



                    Stella L. Jatras

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                    • Originally posted by doctor13
                      With all due respect, Cyprus is merely a continuation of atrocities committed by Turks. Several years ago, a caller into C-SPAN, a respected United States Cable program, said that when the Turks invaded Cyprus in 1974, the Turkish butchers cut off the head of her twin eight-year-old sister, and if ever they were to return to Cypus to fight, she would go back and kill every Turk she could get her hands on.

                      It was all there - beheadings, the cutting off of breasts, rapes, murders by America's Turkish friends, perhaps not on the scale of Asia Minor, but certainly a genocide and not to be shrugged off so calously as "Nice Try, but "no." The Greek Cypriot martyrs do not deserve this.

                      I hope you will be able to pull up my commentary, "Hellenic Genocide: Was it a "Catastrophe" or a "Disaster."



                      Stella L. Jatras
                      And all the Turks the Greek Cypriots butchered, raped, tortured, all the children and families they killed prior to Turkish invasion, and the whole Makarios led coup who had a major Enosis agenda as a continuation of the somehow neverending Megali idea were all a product of Turkish propaganda I guess??? Why don't you give us some examples of Greek atrocities in Cyprus so we can believe you have some character.

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