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  • #11
    Originally posted by cosmos
    I mention about Ottoman slaughter of Turks that began mostly in the time of Yavuz Sultan Selim in 16th century. A few pure Turk States such as Karamanogullari, Whiteships, Blackships were collapsed by Ottomans and many Turks were slaughtered and many survivors were deported. This is the similar case that Armenians experienced in 1915.
    Oh wow!!!!
    You'll never get it... so I won't bother explaining.

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    • #12
      What is the problem with looking for the similarities between events that happened in history? Although they are not about denial, why do you oppose this?

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      • #13
        Civilized Barbarians

        Originally posted by cosmos
        Has there been any nation on the World realy barbaric? Or which nation didnt be barbaric? Which nation didnt fight and kill. Did the Turks kill more than the others? Think of the history.
        Show me ONE nation in this day and age that destroys the cultural heritage, thousand year old monuments of another nation, to erase any trace of the indigenous people of the land they are occupying.
        The churches and khachkars your barbaric governments are bombing and bulldozing are human heritage...
        No barbarian does such things except the Turks and "Azeris".
        Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

        I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
        II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
        III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
        IV. They shut up and say nothing.

        [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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        • #14
          Ignorance and Arrogance Over and Over

          Originally posted by cosmos
          ...many Turks were slaughtered and many survivors were deported. This is the similar case that Armenians experienced in 1915. Armenian case also is less severe, because it was planned to deport them only, not killing. Their deaths were provided by bad conditions with their fate. Some of them were killed by Ottoman soldiers (mostly by Kurds).
          Your government brainwashes you to a degree that the damage becomes irreparable.
          The Armenian Genocide is an irrefutable FACT.
          Your government doesn't allow you to read the countless books and documents that prove this beyond any reasonable or unreasonable doubt.
          You HAVE TO read exactly those books that the revisionists tell you not to. You have to read Johannes Lepsius and the new book by Wolfgang Gust. You have to read Morgenthau, Toynbee & Brice, Gerard Chaliand, Yves Ternon, Richard Hovannisian, Vahakn Dadrian, Peter Balakian, Yair Auron, etc. before uttering such rubbish like "Armenian case also is less severe, because it was planned to deport them only, not killing" this is offensive whichever way you take it.

          But just as you think the ignorant fellow is also a dum-dum, he/she/it confesses and confirms the diabolical Pan-Turkist plan:
          Originally posted by cosmos
          They are Armenian or whoever, it is not important, in order to homoginize the State, they had to be deported only.
          Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

          I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
          II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
          III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
          IV. They shut up and say nothing.

          [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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          • #15
            Ignorance and Arrogance Over and Over

            Originally posted by cosmos
            ...many Turks were slaughtered and many survivors were deported. This is the similar case that Armenians experienced in 1915. Armenian case also is less severe, because it was planned to deport them only, not killing. Their deaths were provided by bad conditions with their fate. Some of them were killed by Ottoman soldiers (mostly by Kurds).
            Your government brainwashes you to a degree that the damage becomes irreparable.
            The Armenian Genocide is an irrefutable FACT.
            Your government doesn't allow you to read the countless books and documents that prove this beyond any reasonable or unreasonable doubt.
            You HAVE TO read exactly those books that the revisionists tell you not to. You have to read Johannes Lepsius and the new book by Wolfgang Gust. You have to read Morgenthau, Toynbee & Brice, Gerard Chaliand, Yves Ternon, Richard Hovannisian, Vahakn Dadrian, Peter Balakian, Yair Auron, etc. before uttering rubbish like "Armenian case also is less severe, because it was planned to deport them only, not killing" this is offensive whichever way you take it.

            But just as you think the ignorant fellow is also a dum-dum, he/she/it confesses and confirms the diabolical Pan-Turkist plan:
            Originally posted by cosmos
            They are Armenian or whoever, it is not important, in order to homoginize the State, they had to be deported only.
            Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

            I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
            II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
            III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
            IV. They shut up and say nothing.

            [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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            • #16
              Your hatreds and prejudices against Turks must be very big so even a Turk supports you, you are ready to damn him. If I had mentioned about Ottoman’s slaughter of Turks to my teachers they would have opposed to me. And I know most Turks won’t believe me as you.

              Ottoman’s slaughter of Turks may be a confirming thing of Armenian genocide. It is an example for Ottoman’s barbarity. You can never get a such informations from Turkish school books.

              Also saying that ‘in order to homojenize the state, the deportation of Armenians was planned’ is to support the Armenian genocide claims but not against it.

              So what are you trying to do? (But I don’t need your answers and your damning words).

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              • #17
                Don't be offended!

                Originally posted by cosmos
                Your hatreds and prejudices against Turks must be very big so even a Turk supports you, you are ready to damn him. If I had mentioned about Ottoman’s slaughter of Turks to my teachers they would have opposed to me. And I know most Turks won’t believe me as you.

                Ottoman’s slaughter of Turks may be a confirming thing of Armenian genocide. It is an example for Ottoman’s barbarity. You can never get a such informations from Turkish school books.

                Also saying that ‘in order to homojenize the state, the deportation of Armenians was planned’ is to support the Armenian genocide claims but not against it.

                So what are you trying to do? (But I don’t need your answers and your damning words).
                I answered your questions and comments that I put in quote boxes and I did browse the thread before writing. Besides, you say "Armenian case also is less severe, because it was planned to deport them only, not killing. Their deaths were provided by bad conditions with their fate" and this is very bad. So, unless you can explain this and show me that I'm wrong, I'll have to tell you not to put on the you-offend-one-Turk-who's-on-your-side mask and present me as a hater of humanity. But hey, it's easier for you to judge, condemn and execute me than face your own history.
                I didn't know the specific genocidal act you mentioned, but I do know that for example, the Ottomans treated the Seljuks (Oghuz) condescendingly.
                There have been countless massacres and deportations of Christians, particularly Armenians throughout Ottoman history.
                One such incident was the deportation of Armenians of Caesarea to Cyprus in the days of Sinan (16th century). He intervened on behalf of his kin and the Sultan refrained from the deportation of Sinan’s family...
                Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

                I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
                II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
                III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
                IV. They shut up and say nothing.

                [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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                • #18
                  [QUOTE=Hellektor] the Ottomans treated the Seljuks (Oghuz) condescendingly.

                  That's what I'm talking about. It is the same as the other Turk tribes.

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                  • #19
                    Hellektor had written 'a country Azerbaijan...never existed before 1918'. So what does it mean? Is that denial of Azerbaijcan? I don't know. But it is not good for one who ciritisizes Turkey for denial of Armenian genocide.

                    Iraq, Syria, Algeria, Jordan...etc. are never existed before WWI too. They are third World countries like Turkey. Musn't they be? We know there is the first time for everything to be existed on the World. Musn't we let the new thing be existed? This is strange. Maybe he is thinking Azerbiajan have occupied some part of Armenia.

                    Armenians established a few states in history that were for short time. They generally lived under the other nations control before Ottoman Empire existed. Lastly they tried to establish a country including East Anatolia but they failed. I don't condemn them for this. Every nation can do such a thing. When they success what a happy thing for them. Morever I don't approve that its response is genocide.

                    As for brainwashing, we can always accept the other side is brainwashed. We believe that our opinions are true. But other side is the other side. Why he/she is other side is because of thinking in different way. For me, a religion believer lives with nothingness. Is he/she brainwashed for me? I can't say a certain thing. For some, yes. But for the other ones it may be no. To decide about this is very hard. By philosophical ways, one can reach the God existence. What a praiseable action. And one can believe the God for it is just said so. Here it is! A brainwashed one for me. He or she is not questioning anything, just accept it. Friedrich Nietzsche's super-person tries to question everything. Why must we accept some thing as it is?

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by cosmos
                      Hellektor had written 'a country Azerbaijan...never existed before 1918'. So what does it mean? Is that denial of Azerbaijcan? I don't know. But it is not good for a one who ciritisizes Turkey for denial of Armenian genocide.
                      It means if you look at Azerbaijan's current location on any map made before 1918, you will not find the word Azerbaijan in it. It's not denial, it's a fact.

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