Why Turkey doesn't recognize.

[Doberman]

However, NK Defence Army Personel reported finding hundreds of boxes of abandoned amunition from the Azeri-Turkish front near Stepanakert, with hebrew labels.

That's only a tip of the iceberg. That just goes to show level of hatred they have for Christians. As Ann Frankenstein noted before, in every conflict between Muslims and Christians, Jews have sided with, and aided the Muslims.

[imported_anoush]

What have we done to deserve this?
What kind of brain-damaged morons are these "people"?
How many millions of times have we answered this vomit?
Read some of the threads and you'll get your answers.

I have wasted hours on these posts and all your answers are there.

When you read those, I will put a question to you: What are you so proud of?

Proud that you belong to a "people" who have brought nothing but death, destruction, rape, genocide, pillage and plunder in the past 1000 years?

Proud that after having taken everything from us, even our genes, you gave us GENOCIDE?

Proud of being the only "people" in this day and age that destroy the historic monuments of another people?

Proud to have a "history" entirely based on lies?

And that offensive avatar of yours. Aren't you ashamed that you bring the disgusting face of that genocidal bandit to this Armenian forum? How dare you?
And that offensive flag of yours, red with our blood with the symbol of Lucifer in the middle.
It's just like bringing the portrait of Hitler with a Nazi flag with Swastika in the background to a Jewish forum.

Moderators: This is too tolerant, this sort of insolent desecration should be forbidden on this forum and those who bring such putrefaction to this forum must be warned to change their avatar or be banned.

The poster is banned, but I am sure there is something the moderators can and should do about that repulsive picture.

[Reincarnated Am]

Are They True Armenians?

As I said once it's not enough to have an Armenian name or to wear an Armenian mask to be a true Armenian.

http://www.armeniangenocide.com/forum/showpost.php?p=540&postcount=3

You cannot serve 2 masters at the same time. you cannot be an Armenian + a Mason or an Armenian + a Zionist, I know so many Armenian leaders that are Armenians + something else Go figure!

[elendil]

The question should be why should we accept the claim?

Hello there,I am new to the forum yet I have been reading it for 6 months now.I read what armenians think as you know very few armenians remain in Turkey after deportotions, people who remain dont say a word about it. Thus I got into forum...

However calling both sides to sense. Let's see what Turkey gains and loses if it recognizes genocide claims.
Loss:
1. In international arena Turkey will give EU a trump card in terms of politics, every time other countries will stick the issue to our nose.
2. Armenia will be able to make demands, leave aside money but LANDS! Though the idea of Armenia forcing Turkey to leave its lands is pretty funny, ıt will be a rock on our way, giving this claim a legitamte basis in international arena.
3. Europe's extermist side will be able to provoke its people against Turkey, using the claims as a jump point.
Gain:
1.Armenian people's symphaty perhaps? This is probably expecting too much.
2.-----That is All?
Conclusion:
Turkey being the country it is, dos not have one solid reason to recognize the "genocide". Relations with Armenia are not very important, due to its economic and population size Turkey does not have much to gain from economic relations with it. We can always use the other way around, Azerbaycan from there to Russia. While we have nothing to gain in the issue, we have somethings to lose. So why should we recognize it, when it brings us nothing?

[Gavur]

Hello there,I am new to the forum yet I have been reading it for 6 months now.I read what armenians think as you know very few armenians remain in Turkey after deportotions, people who remain dont say a word about it. Thus I got into forum

Gavur:You have to learn Armenian first to understand what they say about you they hate you and who'd blame them

Q:However calling both sides to sense.

Gavur:Usually the loosing party trys to call both sides to their senses refering to themselves as the 3rd party LMAO

Q:Let's see what Turkey gains and loses if it recognizes genocide claims.
Loss:
1. In international arena Turkey will give EU a trump card in terms of politics, every time other countries will stick the issue to our nose.
2. Armenia will be able to make demands, leave aside money but LANDS! Though the idea of Armenia forcing Turkey to leave its lands is pretty funny, ıt will be a rock on our way, giving this claim a legitamte basis in international arena.
3. Europe's extermist side will be able to provoke its people against Turkey, using the claims as a jump point.
Gain:
1.Armenian people's symphaty perhaps? This is probably expecting too much.
2.-----That is All?
Conclusion:
Turkey being the country it is, dos not have one solid reason to recognize the "genocide". Relations with Armenia are not very important, due to its economic and population size Turkey does not have much to gain from economic relations with it. We can always use the other way around, Azerbaycan from there to Russia. While we have nothing to gain in the issue, we have somethings to lose. So why should we recognize it, when it brings us nothing?

Gavur:These are YOUR justifacations for contuniance of denial (gotunuz uchbuchuk atiyor degil mi) but your ass is singing a different tune RIGHT?

[elendil]

Gavur:These are YOUR justifacations for contuniance of denial (gotunuz uchbuchuk atiyor degil mi) but your ass is singing a different tune RIGHT?
Well we are indeed afraid of you!!
By the way you are directly insulting, but I suppose it is free to attack Turkish people in the forum. Still if it will make you feel a little bit important and strong
götümüz üç buçuk atıyor size olan korkumuzdan
Joke aside I am not presenting justifacations, I am representing an evaulation of Turkey's choices which like any state looks forward to interests. The things you demand are not in the favor of our interests. Frankly speaking, I dont even care if it is genocide or not, I dont worry about people who were killed or died a 100 years ago. However it is crystal clear that the issue of genocide will forever be a question, since the demands of Diaspora is impossible to grant, especially when demanding lands from Turkey, it triggers a reflex in Turkish people which deepens the enmity. I see many Armenians claiming lands!! for god's sake, believing that Turkey and Turkish people will suffer such an event to happen is ridicolus.

[Gavur]

It's not my fault you guys didnt or couldnt adress the truths of this matter and now you have something to lose you like every one to come to their senses? thats bullcrap when you say theres nothin to gain by admitting Gene-ocide Turk! Otherwise you and your goverment wouldnt waste their breath.

Also im not attacking you just grabbing you by the neck like wrestlers do.

[elendil]

hats bullcrap when you say theres nothin to gain by admitting Gene-ocide Turk! Otherwise you and your goverment wouldnt waste their breath.

You got me wrong or I did not understand what you meant here. When I say nothing to gain, I mean we(Turks, Turkey) has nothing to gain,to you armenians ofcourse it will at least give hope in terms of demand.

Also im not attacking you just grabbing you by the neck like wrestlers do.

err yes gavur I can see that...

It's not my fault you guys didnt or couldnt adress the truths of this matter and now you have something to lose you like every one to come to their senses?

Well coming to senses is a call to realize the position of Turkey, Armenia. While I can understand you are chasing for recoginition, your demands are out of line simply. Just like America did not pay indians anything, we have no intention to give you anything.

[Gavur]

Just like America

LOL you wish

Well coming to senses is a call to realize the position of Turkey

Yes you fear if you bendover every body will take turns but thats just guilt and homophobia on Turks side.That willnot and cannot happen because ligths are on and its your cue.


I dont even care if it is genocide or not, I dont worry about people who were killed or died a 100 years ago.

I don't care what they call it personnaly I just want an apologie from your Goverment for my Grandma who was the only survivor from a 150 unit family in Bursa


if we want to achieve reconciliation, we must recognize
the truth, first of all

[Tongue]

Turkey being the country it is, dos not have one solid reason to recognize the "genocide".

You're right... it has way TOO MANY!

Relations with Armenia are not very important, due to its economic and population size Turkey does not have much to gain from economic relations with it. We can always use the other way around, Azerbaycan from there to Russia. While we have nothing to gain in the issue, we have somethings to lose. So why should we recognize it, when it brings us nothing?

Thank you for being honest! I mean it... since you have nothing to gain, and perhaps a lot to loose, you aren't willing to take the humane step and recognize the darkest chapter of your history... Ey at least you were honest!

Well guess what, it will continue to haunt you and at the end, you'll realize that recognizing the genocide will actually benefit you. Were you expecting it to keep you out of the EU? An you know, being an EU member will boost your currency value and thus your economy! Not to mention, the social living conditions for your people. So there... but I guess it takes a "human" to take the "humane" step! And your government is far from it.