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    I see that you guess Turkey can not survive without EU.But all of you are wrong.Turkey is the most powerfull country on that region.And you begin to hope with EU parliament decision.Turkey never did that genocide.There is only an emigration cause of betrayal.Armenians betrayalled to Ottoman empire by being with Russia.On December 1914,Armenians were first troops of Russian army.They attacked on Ottoman empire and they did the real genocide to Muslim Turkish people.After all Ottoman empire decided to emigrated Armenians.Ottoman empire was rightfull by doing that.
    Now we are silent in view of this situation.But this mean is not we will keep silence.

    You will ban me after this message I know that.But if you discuss me,don't ban me from this forum.We will see that who is right,who is wrong?

  • #2
    You people have never been silent, you've posted your crap on every Armenian or non-Armenian forum I've ever visited.

    As for the economy, I've got a great solution. Your Turkish "history" textbooks would make great toilet paper as an export. You might want to run that by somebody.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Pantalaimon
      You people have never been silent, you've posted your crap on every Armenian or non-Armenian forum I've ever visited.

      As for the economy, I've got a great solution. Your Turkish "history" textbooks would make great toilet paper as an export. You might want to run that by somebody.

      You are posting your crap as well!

      Just share your thoughts if you have any. Don't start insulting which is a disgusting way of sharing thoughts in forums.

      Do you think your insults benefit anything in this world?

      !!!

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      • #4
        Where's survivors emmigration papers?

        [QUOTE=pirate]Turkey never did that genocide.There is only an emigration cause of betrayal.Armenians betrayalled to Ottoman empire by being with Russia.On December 1914,Armenians were first troops of Russian army.They attacked on Ottoman empire and they did the real genocide to Muslim Turkish people.After all Ottoman empire decided to emigrated Armenians.Ottoman empire was rightfull by doing that.



        Whatcha talkin 'bout Willis

        This is CRAP first class .
        When one's own goverment starts massacring, the peoples have the right to defend themselves.Hand full of tashnaks and a platoon of foreign patriots attacking an unjust goverment doesnt justify elimination of 1.5 million.
        "All truth passes through three stages:
        First, it is ridiculed;
        Second, it is violently opposed; and
        Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

        Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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        • #5
          The Ottoman numbers are very questionable it is known fact that non-muslims were under-counted in general Ottoman censes not reliable at all .How do i get my numbers you rightly ask,Well its very simple you say 500 thousand "Emiggrated" {xxxxhead) now I know for of fact that every survivor lost at least a few family members just do the math!Of course if your related to those butchers whether by blood or spirit (Ishine gelmez kopegoglukopek) The math wont add up for you sonof adogg,
          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • #6
            Sory Kemal but where do you find these people?

            They come in here without reading a single thing and they start with the denial.
            My insult is to this not to the Turkish race in general.
            "All truth passes through three stages:
            First, it is ridiculed;
            Second, it is violently opposed; and
            Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

            Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gavur
              Sory Kemal but where do you find these people?

              They come in here without reading a single thing and they start with the denial.
              My insult is to this not to the Turkish race in general.

              Hi Gavur,

              You need common grounds to start a discussion. If you perceive any counter argument as an insult and start insulting as a reply, this means that you will never have a common ground with those who have counter arguments. Modus ponens, pure logic. Isn't it? (from another post)

              Say you will never perceive what I am trying to explain and acknoledge my logical reasoning. Still this doen't give you the right to insult someone or some thought. If you don't get used to it, you will, at the best, have 5 billion people not giving damn to the events in Ottoman history but having parliaments that acknoledges your claims, but Turks not even bothering to share ideas with you. If this is what you want go on.

              By teh way you must know where we find all these people. You lived here pretty much, right? (if I am not mistaken). Actually we are the best and most reasonable among the rest of us. I wonder what you would do if an ultranationalist comes to share their ideas about Armenians.

              Take care.

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              • #8
                Dear pirate,

                First of all welcome to the forum. Do you really have to insult people personally in order to share your thoughts?

                Not really.


                Secondly, I guess you will trust out foreign ministries web site. Read the following passage from Mumtaz Soysals defence after the Orly bombings.

                [Other than the reasons you have stated some government officials and the soldiers responsible to guard the Armenians actually killed those people. And they were not incidental.

                Furthermore, do you really find it fair to move innocent people, elderlies, children, women out of their homes say from Kayseri (over 40,000 according to our state archives) or İzmit, or Afyon...

                I don't. Those people were just villagers. Looked like the Turkish villagers and lived like them and ate like them... I sincerely find this unfair. The government of that time or anytime should have distinguished the guilty from innocent and they failled to do so. Would you accept the same solution for the Kurdish people? Because of PKK should we also relocate the Kurdish living in south eastern anatolia? Or force them out of Turkey? This is what the Ottoman Government did back then.

                Take care.

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                • #9
                  Are numbers important?

                  Pirate

                  I understand you very well. You think that such a crime canít be committed. We clearly know that there may be no more hospitable nation to the others than Turks. So you ask yourself how did Turks do such crimes? It is impossible! In fact, I am sure that Turks didnít see the Amenians different from each other. So why it happened?

                  But political systems, politicians etc. can cause such things. We must add the circumstances of 1915 and WW-I in Ottoman Emp. During the collapse, administrators probably didnít know what to do with fear. Many innocent Armenias were exiled without a logical reason. Actually, this must be invastigated carefully. From now on, we can not discuss how many Amenians were killed or deported. 1.5 million or 500 thousand, what will change? Even one person must be important and it must be discussed that what / which reason or reasons brought about such a disaster. I really wonder?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pirate
                    But you are attacking to Turkey without mercy.But i think we are guilty because we should also have genocide file on European Courts which genocide realized by Armenians to Turkish people.



                    And you expect us to take you seriously and reply to your posts? lol
                    [COLOR="Lime"][CENTER][B]GIVE US A REASON TO FORGIVE, RECOGNIZE THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE[/B][/CENTER][/COLOR]

                    [CENTER][I][COLOR="Red"][B]"We must remind the Turkish Government that when they had Sultan Abdul Hamid, we had Andranik Pasha, Serob Aghbyur, and Gevorg Chaush. When they had Taleat pasha, we had Soghomon Tehleryan. New Hrants will be born, and our struggle will go on.Ē [/B][/COLOR][/I][/CENTER]

                    [COLOR="Black"][CENTER][B]"Hrant Dink's murder is tragic proof that the Turkish government - through its campaign of denial, threats and intimidation against the recognition of the Armenian Genocide - continues to fuel the same hatred and intolerance that initially led to this crime against humanity more than 90 years ago."[/B][/CENTER][/COLOR]

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