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  • Originally posted by anila View Post
    Isn't it absurd, with all things considered, that this nationalist portrayal is warned about not on the grounds of frenzied historical misconceptions but on the grounds of psychological harms done. I guess it does give everyone an idea about how us Turkish children are raised in regards to this issue- these simple country laymen have mastered the art of psychoanalysis it seems like no?
    Enclosed are pictures of the debacle at this link:


    http://blogian.hayastan.com/2008/03/...kish-ceremony/
    General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.

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    • Nearly every city in Turkey has a liberation day. Turkish soldiers kick the crap out of the French, Italians, Russians and English depending on which city was liberated. Its quite amusing seeing dark skinned Turks dressed up as English soldiers

      Its the first time I've seen any Armenians involved in one of these shows however its not surprising since its an Eastern city involved.

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      • From Hurriyet

        Oktay Eksi: A real shame

        It's a great thing to know your own history. And an equally wonderful thing to pass the pages of this history on to younger generations. But is the only condition necessary for knowing or passing on this history to brutify it, simplify it, and even make it more primitive?


        Isn't there a more civilized way to do it?



        Is it right to vaccinate our younger generations with hatred and enmity, or with civilization and peacefulness?



        You will know what I am talking about if you have seen the photographs printed in today's Hurriyet of the 90th anniversary of the liberation of Erzurum's Askale township from occupation.



        According to news provided about the ceremonies, as part of the program, children were shown a fake mosque being burnt, in an attempt to depict the disrespect shown by the Armenian gangs of the period towards Islam and of course its important symbol, the mosque. Quite pointedly, the message of "Armenians are our enemies. Don't forget it!" was placed in the minds of students between the ages of 7-14. Later in the ceremony, there was a depiction of an imam being hung by Armenian forces.



        Look closely at the photographs. You can see how frightened those youngsters are by the tableau presented to them. Such a brutal and primitive tableau, that you can only wonder what kind of guidance and advice the teachers who have brought their students there are getting. Isn't it an embarrassment though for all of us who are members of this society?



        Don't you see now how we have raised youngsters like the one who murdered Priest Santoro in Trabzon, or who came to Istanbul to kill Hrant Dink, who raided the Zirve Publishing House in Malatya and killed 3 men there for publishing Christian books?



        Don't you understand now what Hrant Dink's widow, Rakel Dink, was talking about when she noted at his funeral last year "We cannot do anything until we question those who are creating killers out of babies." We always say it, and we'll repeat it again: the most important condition placed on all of us is to be civilized. And that is a value which has nothing to do with how much money you have in your pockets, but instead with the universality of the values in your mind.



        Are we aware though that we move a bit further away from this state every passing day, with the strengthening of that mentality on display at the Erzurum ceremonies?
        Revanchism: A word used by thieves who've gotten away with their crime.

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        • Originally posted by Zane View Post
          Oktay Eksi: A real shame

          It's a great thing to know your own history. And an equally wonderful thing to pass the pages of this history on to younger generations. But is the only condition necessary for knowing or passing on this history to brutify it, simplify it, and even make it more primitive?


          Isn't there a more civilized way to do it?



          Is it right to vaccinate our younger generations with hatred and enmity, or with civilization and peacefulness?



          You will know what I am talking about if you have seen the photographs printed in today's Hurriyet of the 90th anniversary of the liberation of Erzurum's Askale township from occupation.



          According to news provided about the ceremonies, as part of the program, children were shown a fake mosque being burnt, in an attempt to depict the disrespect shown by the Armenian gangs of the period towards Islam and of course its important symbol, the mosque. Quite pointedly, the message of "Armenians are our enemies. Don't forget it!" was placed in the minds of students between the ages of 7-14. Later in the ceremony, there was a depiction of an imam being hung by Armenian forces.



          Look closely at the photographs. You can see how frightened those youngsters are by the tableau presented to them. Such a brutal and primitive tableau, that you can only wonder what kind of guidance and advice the teachers who have brought their students there are getting. Isn't it an embarrassment though for all of us who are members of this society?



          Don't you see now how we have raised youngsters like the one who murdered Priest Santoro in Trabzon, or who came to Istanbul to kill Hrant Dink, who raided the Zirve Publishing House in Malatya and killed 3 men there for publishing Christian books?



          Don't you understand now what Hrant Dink's widow, Rakel Dink, was talking about when she noted at his funeral last year "We cannot do anything until we question those who are creating killers out of babies." We always say it, and we'll repeat it again: the most important condition placed on all of us is to be civilized. And that is a value which has nothing to do with how much money you have in your pockets, but instead with the universality of the values in your mind.



          Are we aware though that we move a bit further away from this state every passing day, with the strengthening of that mentality on display at the Erzurum ceremonies?
          Geez, you know things are bad when a nationalist columnist from and ultra-nationalist newspaper is himself freaked out.
          General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.

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          • Originally posted by Joseph View Post
            Enclosed are pictures of the debacle at this link:


            http://blogian.hayastan.com/2008/03/...kish-ceremony/
            Next time an unabashed Turk comes on this forum and whines that "Armenian's teach hatred", show him this link.

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            • Originally posted by hitite View Post
              Nearly every city in Turkey has a liberation day. Turkish soldiers kick the crap out of the French, Italians, Russians and English depending on which city was liberated. Its quite amusing seeing dark skinned Turks dressed up as English soldiers

              Its the first time I've seen any Armenians involved in one of these shows however its not surprising since its an Eastern city involved.
              Lol,when was this?
              "All truth passes through three stages:
              First, it is ridiculed;
              Second, it is violently opposed; and
              Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

              Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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              • Originally posted by hitite View Post
                Nearly every city in Turkey has a liberation day. Turkish soldiers kick the crap out of the French, Italians, Russians and English depending on which city was liberated. Its quite amusing seeing dark skinned Turks dressed up as English soldiers

                Its the first time I've seen any Armenians involved in one of these shows however its not surprising since its an Eastern city involved.
                Is this your pathetic attempt to justify reenactment of massacres? "Oh, it's so cute and amusing, and they have cotton candy and rides for the kids afterwards. Oh what fun it is to watch Armenians get hung, too bad we don't have any real Armenians left in town to hang!"

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                • Originally posted by phantom View Post
                  Is this your pathetic attempt to justify reenactment of massacres? "Oh, it's so cute and amusing, and they have cotton candy and rides for the kids afterwards. Oh what fun it is to watch Armenians get hung, too bad we don't have any real Armenians left in town to hang!"
                  I think hittite is making fun of the folks involved in this monstrosity.
                  General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.

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                  • Originally posted by Joseph View Post
                    I think hittite is making fun of the folks involved in this monstrosity.
                    I think it hi-lites the banality of evil that exists in Turkish society.

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                    • Originally posted by hitite View Post
                      Nearly every city in Turkey has a liberation day. Turkish soldiers kick the crap out of the French, Italians, Russians and English depending on which city was liberated.
                      When did you beat the crap out of the Russians ? Didn't they withdraw from the war and Ottoman territory in 1917 because of the Bolshevik revolution ?

                      In the past, weren't the Russians always beating the crap out of the Turks ? Didn't the English and French save your arse ?

                      And this from Wiki>>>>>>>>>>
                      Before the Amasya Circular (22 June 1919), Mustafa Kemal met with a Bolshevik delegation headed by Colonel Semyon Budyonny. The Bolsheviks wanted to annex the parts of the Caucasus, including Democratic Republic of Armenia, which were formerly part of Czarist Russia. They also saw a Turkish Republic as a buffer state or possibly a communist ally. Kemal's official response was "Such questions had to be postponed until Turkish independence was achieved." Having this support was important for the national movement[27]

                      The first objective was the securing of arms from abroad. They obtained these primarily from the Soviet Union, but also Italy and France. These arms, especially the Soviet weapons, allowed the Turks to organize an effective army. After the Treaty of Kars (October 23, 1921) nationalists agreed to cede Nachicevan and Batum and in response they received support and gold. For the promised resources nationalist had to wait until the Battle of Sakarya (August - September, 1921). On August 4, 1920, Turkey's representative in Moscow, Riza Nur, sent a telegram saying that soon 60 Krupp artillery pieces, 30,000 shells, 700,000 grenades, 10,000 mines, 60,000 Romanian swords, 1.5 million captured Ottoman rifles, 1 million Russian rifles, 1 million Manlicher rifles, as well as some more modern Martini-Henry rifles and 25,000 bayonets would be in the possession of the Turkish nationalists.[28]

                      The Turks also received arms from Italy and France, who threw in their lot with the Kemalist against Greece which was seen as a British client[citation needed]. The Italians used their base in Antalya to arm and train Turkish troops to assist the Kemalists against the Greeks

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish...f_Independence
                      So it seems the Russians (and French, Italians ?) HELPED the Turks in the War of Independence ? Shouldn't you Turks change your plays to reflect your gratitude ? LOL!

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