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  • Originally posted by phantom View Post
    Is this your pathetic attempt to justify reenactment of massacres? "Oh, it's so cute and amusing, and they have cotton candy and rides for the kids afterwards. Oh what fun it is to watch Armenians get hung, too bad we don't have any real Armenians left in town to hang!"
    Hold your horses phantom, you are not making sense. First of all these shows are petty ridiculous ones done by people picked from the street and obviously cannot act. They also probably lack in historical accuracy which I am sure 'you' would be expecting from the mayor of Ashkale the way you expect it from the other millions of ignorant people in Turkey overnight.

    Second, unless there were Armenian imams back then it was Turkish women, babies etc. killed in this 'Broadway' event, and the only Armenians that died were the evil, cruel and terrible Armenian bandits and all this is insignificant because the whole thing is a big laugh if you are not a kid of course. Were you expecting depiction of Turks committing Genocide / massacring Armenians in this show that took place in Ashkale, Erzurum, a city which is a nationalistic 'stronghold'?

    All I was trying to say was that these shows happen in every city in Turkey since the jurassic era and to me they are funny because of the funny actors. I added that I had not seen armenians in these shows before because its an Eastern region.

    If you want to turn this into more than I said and portray me as something else you can go ahead and do so.

    ...Or you can take this Ashkale event as Turkey's answer to "40 Days of Musa Dagh"

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    • Double standards?

      Since March 1st, it seems that many Armenians share the thinking that authorities supported by the majority of population can protect the constitutional order by any means, including bottomless violence. Why Turks should have been thinking differently in 1915 or in 2007? Simply, because of our double standards? We are all the same!

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      • Hitite - its quite clear what this is...and it isn't at all pretty.

        How do you think Jews (and others) would react if Germans from some village "re-enacted" Jews killing Germans and their triumph over them? In the scheme of things this is the same type of thing. That the only "memory" many Turks seem to have is of Turks triumphing over murderous Armenians - and not the other way around - remembering how Armenians were bruttally persecuted and wiped off the map (by Turks) - is really sad and key to the problem.
        Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?
        Adolf Hitler (22 August 1939)

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        • Originally posted by scream View Post
          Since March 1st, it seems that many Armenians share the thinking that authorities supported by the majority of population can protect the constitutional order by any means, including bottomless violence. Why Turks should have been thinking differently in 1915 or in 2007? Simply, because of our double standards? We are all the same!
          What planet do you come from? The planet of deaf, dumb and blind?
          Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?
          Adolf Hitler (22 August 1939)

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          • Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
            I think it hi-lites the banality of evil that exists in Turkish society.
            "Banality of evil".... not bad. So you mean we are not even good at being evil?

            Originally posted by Strabo View Post
            When did you beat the crap out of the Russians ? Didn't they withdraw from the war and Ottoman territory in 1917 because of the Bolshevik revolution ?

            In the past, weren't the Russians always beating the crap out of the Turks ? Didn't the English and French save your arse ?

            And this from Wiki>>>>>>>>>>


            So it seems the Russians (and French, Italians ?) HELPED the Turks in the War of Independence ? Shouldn't you Turks change your plays to reflect your gratitude ? LOL!
            Russia and Iran were the traditional enemies of Turks. There have been many battles and wars, and everybody has their wins and losses. It ended in 1921 witht the Moscow and Kars Treaties and Bolshevik Russia became one of the first countries to recognise the Turkish Republic. The bolsheviks had a great impact on the victory over the invading Greeks in what we call the Turkish War of Independence wherin they provided much needed weaponry. But Russian atrocities in Eastern Anatolia and Caucasia is well known, the thousands of Cricassian Muslims in Turkey who call themselves Turks today are testimony to this. So Turks and Russians kicked a lot of each others ass up until that point but it was more of the Ottomans taking a beating in the early 20th century hence the end of the empire a few years later.

            English, Italians and French saving Ottoman ass?? You must be kidding. Whose ass have these guys ever saved in the past? Well hell, saving ass does not exist in international relations does it? The real agenda is always different.

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            • Originally posted by 1.5 million View Post
              Hitite - its quite clear what this is...and it isn't at all pretty.

              How do you think Jews (and others) would react if Germans from some village "re-enacted" Jews killing Germans and their triumph over them? In the scheme of things this is the same type of thing. That the only "memory" many Turks seem to have is of Turks triumphing over murderous Armenians - and not the other way around - remembering how Armenians were bruttally persecuted and wiped off the map (by Turks) - is really sad and key to the problem.

              That whole incident is one sad event. It met a lot of criticism in Turkey too beacuse there shouldn't have been scenes of voilence in front of children. No argument about the accuracy of course. Armenian reaction to this is understandable but I dont think I tried to make it seem like it was a birthday party at McDonalds.

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              • Originally posted by scream View Post
                Since March 1st, it seems that many Armenians share the thinking that authorities supported by the majority of population can protect the constitutional order by any means, including bottomless violence. Why Turks should have been thinking differently in 1915 or in 2007? Simply, because of our double standards? We are all the same!
                Two words for you:

                Vano Siradeghyan
                General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.

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                • Originally posted by hitite View Post
                  "Banality of evil".... not bad. So you mean we are not even good at being evil?



                  Russia and Iran were the traditional enemies of Turks. There have been many battles and wars, and everybody has their wins and losses. It ended in 1921 witht the Moscow and Kars Treaties and Bolshevik Russia became one of the first countries to recognise the Turkish Republic. The bolsheviks had a great impact on the victory over the invading Greeks in what we call the Turkish War of Independence wherin they provided much needed weaponry. But Russian atrocities in Eastern Anatolia and Caucasia is well known, the thousands of Cricassian Muslims in Turkey who call themselves Turks today are testimony to this. So Turks and Russians kicked a lot of each others ass up until that point but it was more of the Ottomans taking a beating in the early 20th century hence the end of the empire a few years later.

                  English, Italians and French saving Ottoman ass?? You must be kidding. Whose ass have these guys ever saved in the past? Well hell, saving ass does not exist in international relations does it? The real agenda is always different.
                  Actually, Strabo is on the money. The British, French and even Italians at certain points in the last few centuries kept the OE afloat as a counterweight to the Russians and of course for their own interests. Hence some of the later resentment of Europeans by the time of Abdul Hamids rule. The Crimean War was essentially fought to protect the OE from Russia and the Treaty of Berlin/ Congress of Berlin further safeguarded the OE after its defeat by Russia. Later and on the eve of WWI, Austro-Hungary and Germany would be the OE's primary benefactor much to the chagrin of Britain and France of course.
                  General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.

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                  • Originally posted by 1.5 million View Post
                    What planet do you come from? The planet of deaf, dumb and blind?
                    I come from the planet of 3.2 million.

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                    • Originally posted by scream View Post
                      Since March 1st, it seems that many Armenians share the thinking that authorities supported by the majority of population can protect the constitutional order by any means, including bottomless violence. Why Turks should have been thinking differently in 1915 or in 2007? Simply, because of our double standards? We are all the same!
                      Actually, and in response to 1.5s comment, some of the news of these "March Days" (to coin a name for them, if it has not already been coined) does indeed resemble the thinking and actions of those Turks in 1915. Things like mass arrests of community leaders on unspecified or trumped-up charges, arresting people for possessing ancient rifles on the grounds that that proves their intent to rebel, and accusing anyone you want destroyed of commiting or planning to commit treason and endangering the future of the State.
                      Plenipotentiary meow!

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