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Originally posted by Hellektor
This is very interesting
Thanks in Advance
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Can you please refer me to where I can find this study ? I mean if it is a book or a link or article.
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You quote me so I feel I have to respond.
I don't get what you are trying to say, it's not correctly written, however, I think you are hurt reading Grigor Aknertsi's description of your ancestors.
I tried to say that, is there any nation which has been more insulted than Turks. So, we are the first at least at something.
This description doesn't seem scientific. But it sounds me like the prophet of Islam Mohammed said similar things about Turks. Does it suit to a prophet? I don't know. You may make a comment on it.Comment
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Can you post what did he say ? I haven't heard something like that before, and let's not forget that there were NO Turks at the time of muhamed i.e 636 A.D. and around.Originally posted by cosmos
Can you translate it, as you say it's available in Turkish ?Comment
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Maral, which are you interested in? The Cultural Genocide (Destruction of Monuments) taking place in Turkey today? I can provide you more information on that if you are interested, just let me know.Originally posted by maral_m79Comment
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I was referring to what Hellektor said about "research by Shule Perinçek" , yes shad hedakirker em ays panero masin, aysinkn enchvor turker@ g@ khosdovanin hayero masin yev , hayero tseghaspanootian masin.Originally posted by Hovik
And about cultural Genocide, the most interesting thing to me, and now I'm trying to find more about, is the Training of Turkish Army on bombs, I read somewhere that during the 1950 or later I'm not sure, the Turkish army used to "BOMB" Armenian monuments in Western Armenia "For Practice" ... Do You have some more info. about that in particular ?Comment
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Originally posted by maral_m79
In the times of Muhammed there were raids from central Asia. He knew them from this raids.
And I quoted it below.
Kıtalut-Türk' Hadislerinden. 'Türklere karşı kıtal, kesinlikle olacak...' (Buhari, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Cihad/96)
'Şu da kıyamet alametlerinden: Kıldan (keçe) ayakkabı giyen bir toplumla vuruşup öldüreşeceksiniz. Geniş yüzlü, yüzleri kalkan gibi üst üste binmiş derili toplumla vuruşmanız öldürüşmeniz kıyamet alametlerindendir. Biz (müslümanlar), küçük gözlü, kızıl yüzlü, basık burunlu, yüzleri kalkan gibi, derisi üst üste binmiş olan Türklerle öldürüşmedikçe kıyamet kopmaz.' (Bkz. Buhari, e's- Sahih, Kitabu'l-Cihad/95; Müslim, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Fiten/66, Hadis No: 2912; İbn Mace, Hadis No: 4097-4098)
I am trying to translate. Maybe someone can translate it better.
From the Hadis of Kıtalut- Turk. There will certainly be a fight against Turks
(Buhari, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Cihad/96)
This is a sign of the end of the world too : Youll fight against a community and kill them (be killed) who wears felt shoes. When youll be fighting against this community who have wide faces, layered skins, it is a sign of the end of the world (when they killed Turks Muslims will go to the heaven at the end of the world). Unless we (Muslims) kill the Turks who have small eyes, red faces, pressed noses, faces like a shield, layered skins the last day will not come.
(See. Buhari, e's- Sahih, Kitabu'l-Cihad/95; Müslim, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Fiten/66, Hadis No: 2912; İbn Mace, Hadis No: 4097-4098)Comment
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Firstly pathfinder what part of my post is from tallarmeniantale apart from one or two of my quotes from books and Mikael Kaprilian. I did not even get them from tallarmeniantale. It is just coincidence that the quotes I have used also appear on tallarmeniantaleOriginally posted by pathfinder
Hellektor you think you are the man don't you. I encourage you to read outside the box that is what your parents and grandparents and what other misinformation fellow Armenians tell you about the Turks.Originally posted by Hellektor
I suggest that Turks have contributed to society and civilization maybe Armenians have done more in terms of their contributions to civilization. But when you say the only contribution of the Turks is nothing more than death, destruction, rape, pillage, plunder and genocide.
Maybe you should read this.
Maybe it will change your indented view on Turkey and her 'apparent lack' of contributions to the world.
Up to this offensive sentence, I though you had a grain of intellect...
Put in in your rotten head:
Your savage, barbaric, nomadic, Ural-Altaic, Mongolo-Tatar, Oghuz-Turkmen, cities to cinders razing, churches and houses to rubble reducing, tent-dwelling, cattle-herder, two-legged... grandpaws could not put a brick upon another.
"According to Lev Gumilev in his accredited work entitled 1,000 years around the Caspian, the Oguz in the anthropological (racial) category were Caucasoid (Europoid)."
"Elements of both Caucasoid and Mongoloid strains are evident in some."
As to your name calling of the Turks well this is just showing everyone who is not a Armenian what the typical Armenian in the diaspora is nationalistic, hateful, racist, uncompromising and has to resort to the childish tactics of name calling when someone has the gut to be a little critical of him.
Yes your right I haven't read that book. I obtained the three quotes from another website not related to the Armenian Genocide in anyway.Many, many posts ago, I said I'm not a great fan of quotes. Of course I do quote every now and then from different real historical sources.
This crap you put here, and you haven't even read the book you quote, is taken out of context and spread all over the internet to accuse the Armenians of something they should have done but didn't do.
For the rest of your copy-paste tallturkishtale.com/McFarty bullxxxx, you should know that they have been pasted in this forum hundreds of times before and I really do not have the time to repeat myself for the thousandth time.
You are probably right before the Eastern Anatolia was probably Armenia but you don't live there anymore its not your land anymore its part of Turkey and will not be handed to Nationalist Armenians with a dream a pan-Armenia or Greater Armenia. Its like Hitler wanted a grossdeutchland (Big Germany) and people like bismarck wanted kleinedeutchland (Small Germany). The bottom line is valid international treaties guarantee Turkey her current boarders no Armenian who betrayed Armenia by living in the otherside of the world will change that.I have already asked other Turks in this forum to show me a document or a map done before the Armenian Genocide, that calls Armenia "Eastern Anatolia" (god I hate the word Anatolia
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I'll make the bet with you as well:
If you show me a pre-genocide document/map that calls Armenia Eastern Anatolia then xxxx me, otherwise xxxx you and all the genocide deniers who call my country "Eastern Anatolia", deal?
You are clearly the product of Armenian hate. Whats that more childish name calling. I find it so funny I mean WHO is going to kick the Turks in Turkey(numbering more than 50 million) back to central asia? Turkey is now our historical homeland we have been here for 1000 years. I think you'll find that Turkey is becoming more and more loved by people the west. They are realising that the Turks are not going to invade Europe. International investment in Turkey is skyrocketing, that is clear evidence to show the West likes Turkey and this like/love is forever increasing.Dont forget that most of the 90% of occupied Armenia is under Turkish occupation. The time will come that the Turkish-phallus sucking West will get enough of the Turkish Delight sprayed in their immoral faces and they will drop Turkey like hot excrement, dropped from a hyena's anus. Then we will kick your Tatar butts so hard back to the steppes of Central Asia, the hell you come from and the hell you belong, that you forget the pronunciation of "Anatolia".
"In the first eight months of 2005, Turkey attracted $2.9 billion in direct investment and $3.3 billion in investment in stocks, impressive figures compared to a total $13.7 billion in foreign direct investment in the previous decade. Further, in October 2005, foreign investors owned 66 percent of the value of shares on the Istanbul stock market, a record high"
Wrong their home is on the side of the Caspain sea that they currently reside. Like America is the home for the millions upon millions of Europeans who left Europe for America. Like you are living on the land of many NAtive murdered to extinction and that process happened over 100 years. You have a brain use it.They have a homeland and it's the steppes of Central Asia.
You are clearly a blind moron. Yes the Azerbeijani's never had a nation due to Iranian and Russian interferance but now they do. The Azeri's in Iran are a different ETHNIC entity from ethnic Persians who only make up 51% of the Iranian population when you look at any website reporting demographics this will be confirmed. Even the CIA factbook mentions that the Azeri's are a different ethnic entity from the Persians. Have you forgotten that the Turks passed through Iran to get to Turkey and the Turks as they are like to mix with the locals. If you deny that the fact that Azeri's are a people distinct from Persians then you are a racist. I'm not promoting any pan-Turkic message I was just stating the fact that the Turkic people that are the Azeri's are content with living in Iran.How the hell dare you!! I am an Iranian and this sort of Pan-Turkist garbage just makes me want to puke.
First of all:
A nation called "Azeri" has NEVER EXISTED in human history.
Azari is a term used by Arab historians to describe the LANGUAGE of the people of real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan), north-west of Iran and ALWAYS south of the Arax River. It was a language of the PERSIAN family of languages called Pahlavi. The dialect spoken in Aturpatekan was called Pahlavi e Azari, to distinguish it from other Pahlavi dialects. Later when the people of Aturpatekan were forced to become speakers of Turkish, the word Azari was wrongly attributed to the Turkish dialect of these people, AND NEVER TO THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES.
The Iranians living in the real Azarbaijan, do have a homeland. They constitute a part of the great Iranian multi-ethnic family, so keep your sick Pan-Turkist garbage to yourself.
Haha OMG yes your right aren't you. You discovered the truth I mean scientists and historians haven't claimed things like that. Infact I have never heard anything so insane hypothesised about another nation. Remind me who's land did the Azari's 'steal'? Let me guess Armenia is it? So what if they were called Tatars, Black people were called Nig*** back in the day it just shows how racist people were. How about the entire Americas, the Europeans stole land off the Natives.Your point is not even clear to yourself.
A nomadic, invading, occupying bunch of tribal bandits does not have the right to "found" its "home" on someone else's territory, call it after a province in another country and invent a name for their "nation" from the attribute of a language they have nothing to do with.
Most of all, they don't have the right to steal the history of other nations to justify their miserable presence in a land that does in no way belong to them.
BTW, they were called Tatars, Tatars/Turks of the Caucasus before 1918.
Now theres a problem its our sacred mountain now. Infact if it is the most important symbol of Armenia why don't any Armenians go and visit it. Why aren't Armenians screaming on the boarder with Turkey 'let me see my Ararat'?Ararat has always been a sacred mountain and it has always been the most important symbol of Armenians that you have usurped from us.
Please tell me WHO is going to change Turkey's current land boarders. America? I hope America invades Iran and gives the ethnic Azari's a Autonomous region like Kurdestan has in Iraq.Dream on...Comment
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Volume 4, Book 52, Number 179:Originally posted by cosmos
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Turks; people with small eyes, red faces, and flat noses. Their faces will look like shields coated with leather. The Hour will not be established till you fight with people whose shoes are made of hair."Comment
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Hey Hellektor heres a aritcle from http://www.iranian.com
"""""""http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2002/August/Azeri/index.html"""""""
Who are Azeris?
Important to emphasize the roots of AzerbaijanBy Aylinah Jurabchi
August 8, 2002
The Iranian
The difference between the accent of Azeris from Iran and the Republic of Azerbaijan is equivlant to the difference of accent between people from New York and Boston, which makes it clear that the language of the Azeris north of the Aras and south of the Aras is basically the same.
The language spoken in the region of northwestern Iran and the Republic of Azerbaijan signifies that the people are of the same ethnic origin and that they are in fact one people, divided between political boundaries and influenced throughout the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries by different countries and political ideologies.
Many pan-Iranists claim that Azerbaijanis are of the same stock as the Persians (meaning Aryan and Indo-European) and that they have been "Turkified" linguistically and not ethnically. But if we observe the language, culture and roots of the people of Azerbaijan (both north and south) we come to the conclusion that they are in fact peoples seperate by race and language from the Persians, who currently make up 51% of the population of Iran.
Azerbaijanis are descendants of the Oghuz Turks who migrated to the region of the Caucus mountains and the modern region of northwestern Iran in the 11th century from Central Asia. Prior to their migration, the area of Azerbaijan was first inhabited by the Medes who had settled there as early as 2500 B.C. and Caucasian Albanians who settled north of the Aras river in the present day Republic of Azerbaijan and was invaded by the Greeks and Arabs in the later centuries.
Other groups, including Turkish peoples such as Huns and Khazars as well as non-Turks such as Assyrians, Armenians and others had also passed through the present-day region of south/north Azerbaijan prior to the mass migration of the Oghuz in the 11th century
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SO don't spread your pan-Iranian propaganda here. You even said your Iranian and the sad thing is that many Irans think that like you they claim that Azeri's are Turkified Iranians. But the truth is the Persians are almost a minority in their own country. SO Iranians need to make up lies to justify them owning all of Iran a country that is twice the size of Turkey.
I think you got confused with the Medes who were the original inhabitants of Azerbaijan but they are now assimilated into the Azerbaijani's. So when you say that the Azeris are Iranian you are correct a small percentage of Azeris have Medes ancestry as do a small percentage of the Kurds. If you now accept this fact then thats OK. (If not....you have Kofte for Brains!
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So it was in BOTH , Al Bukhari and Abu Huraira ?Originally posted by crazyt
Are you sure of the word "Turks" in the "Hadith" ?
As far as History concerned, Muslims didn't do any "Futohat" THAT far in Asia during the Time when Muhamed was alive !
I'm not saying that you are right or wrong about that, I'm just wondering.Comment
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