Chief Rabbi of Israel Recognizes the Armenian Genocide

[Gavur]

I mean Im trying to wrap this issue up at least for now
Lets just agree to disagree.

[Tatoul]

Mainly Jack manuelyan and his UFO crowd i guess

Like I said before, in and of itself alone it's of no great significance, but when you get 5, 10, 15, 20 or more people from all different places, backgrounds and times saying the same thing. Changes are there is some and maybe even much truth to it.

[Kharpert]

Might I suggest Tatoul and 1.5 million put each other on their ignore lists?

[Gavur]

I was going to make a similar suggestion Thank you Kharp excellent suggestion
I think 1.5 woud not have any problem with that right 1.5?

and Tatoul I know will agree to right?

That way both sides could prove to us that their main motivation for being here is not to engage in personal attacks to prove their points.

[phantom]

I'm going to ask Tatoul and the others of like mind some simple questions in as respectful a tone as I can.

1. Was there a Genocide of the Armenians at the hands of the Ottoman Turks during WWI?

2. Was there a Genocide of the Jews at the hands of the German Nazis during WWII?

For now, yes or no answers will do; you don't need to explain your answer unless you feel like it.

[phantom]

OK, now I know what you were talking about even though I still don't understand why you don't use the quote function because sometimes I don't even know who you're talking to or what you're talking about and have to guess.

As for what I wrote, first I probably should have said, "I" don't care about their support and I should have explained what I meant exactly in more detail, but I wrote it in a hurry because I had a lot of things that I wanted to reply to. Anyway, I didn't mean that I don't care in any way whatsoever and don't want any support of any kind no matter what. what I mean is that comparing the support some jews are giving us to the harm the many are doing against us, I would sooner have those few not support us at all if that's the price to pay for having their denials stop, since the few that are supporting us isn't doing much good anyway. If the jewish lobbies weren't working against us and the jews all just stayed out of the whole thing altogether, I think we would get much further ahead, since they are the ones hindering our progress the most. It's like I'm trying to build a house and ten jews come and remove one brick each every week and one jew comes and places one brick for me, which I appreciate and know he's making a good jesture and doing what he can to help me. ABut after a while, I would get kinda tired of having to replace nine bricks every week and I would tell all the jews to stay away from my house since it seems to be an all or nothing kind of deal where in order to take the one good jew, I have to put up with the ten bad ones and even though I wouldn't have that one good jew comming around anymore, at least I wouldn't have all my bricks left in tact. Sure I would feel bad about the good jew that I lked to see come around, but I would have to tell him I'm sorry but if I want to get this house built, I have to ask you not to come here anymore and not because I don't want you to come here, but because if you come, then they come and if this continues, I'll never get this house built. Not all jews are morons and the jews I know would understand this without getting offended. I know that Israel Charney is one such jew and he's probably surprised that it hasn't happened yet as he has predicted in the past that if these israli/jewish denials continue, this will happen one day and this is something he worries about, because he knows that we're only going to take so much and there is definately a breaking point where Armenians are going to get fed up and say, ENOUGH and I for one have had more than enough.

Ok, this analogy makes sense to me. It's rational and isn't filled with racist rhetoric. So what do you think we should do about this problem we are having with the Jews that deny the Genocide and lobby against its recognition?

[Gavur]

OK, now I know what you were talking about even though I still don't understand why you don't use the quote function because sometimes I don't even know who you're talking to or what you're talking about and have to guess.

As for what I wrote, first I probably should have said, "I" don't care about their support and I should have explained what I meant exactly in more detail, but I wrote it in a hurry because I had a lot of things that I wanted to reply to. Anyway, I didn't mean that I don't care in any way whatsoever and don't want any support of any kind no matter what. what I mean is that comparing the support some jews are giving us to the harm the many are doing against us, I would sooner have those few not support us at all if that's the price to pay for having their denials stop, since the few that are supporting us isn't doing much good anyway. If the jewish lobbies weren't working against us and the jews all just stayed out of the whole thing altogether, I think we would get much further ahead, since they are the ones hindering our progress the most. It's like I'm trying to build a house and ten jews come and remove one brick each every week and one jew comes and places one brick for me, which I appreciate and know he's making a good jesture and doing what he can to help me. ABut after a while, I would get kinda tired of having to replace nine bricks every week and I would tell all the jews to stay away from my house since it seems to be an all or nothing kind of deal where in order to take the one good jew, I have to put up with the ten bad ones and even though I wouldn't have that one good jew comming around anymore, at least I wouldn't have all my bricks left in tact. Sure I would feel bad about the good jew that I lked to see come around, but I would have to tell him I'm sorry but if I want to get this house built, I have to ask you not to come here anymore and not because I don't want you to come here, but because if you come, then they come and if this continues, I'll never get this house built. Not all jews are morons and the jews I know would understand this without getting offended. I know that Israel Charney is one such jew and he's probably surprised that it hasn't happened yet as he has predicted in the past that if these israli/jewish denials continue, this will happen one day and this is something he worries about, because he knows that we're only going to take so much and there is definately a breaking point where Armenians are going to get fed up and say, ENOUGH and I for one have had more than enough.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavur
Gavur
We dont have to support their claims until they do ours, but to attack them with denial or accusing them of concpiricy in the crime of genocide of Armenians without substential proof is illadvised and converts us into being like them.


Tatoul

You're entitled to your opinion and we're not asking for their support. We just want them to just shut the hell up and stop their lies and denials, or is that too much to ask!? As for the conspiracies, we have more than substantial proof, but of course it doesn't exist when you choose to ignore it all. What you are doing here is no different than the turks getting their lies crushed and blown to smitherines with all the evidence we have and provide, then they come back a week later and try passing off the same old tired and worn out BS as if they had never been countered. Go ahead and try to tell me that there was no substantial proof that pan-turkism was an idea put forth by jews. Go ahead and try telling me that 1.5's mere say so that it was a turkish idea holds more water than all the concrete evidence available in all kinds of books and historic documents. We are NOT like them. We have NEVER been like them nor will we EVER become like them. Unless phantom get's his way.



Gav:Thats what im talking about which really represents you
you are basically saying you dont care whose toes you steppe on because you dont need their support anyways in a way.


OK, now I know what you were talking about even though I still don't understand why you don't use the quote function because sometimes I don't even know who you're talking to or what you're talking about and have to guess.

As for what I wrote, first I probably should have said, "I" don't care about their support and I should have explained what I meant exactly in more detail, but I wrote it in a hurry because I had a lot of things that I wanted to reply to. Anyway, I didn't mean that I don't care in any way whatsoever and don't want any support of any kind no matter what. what I mean is that comparing the support some jews are giving us to the harm the many are doing against us, I would sooner have those few not support us at all if that's the price to pay for having their denials stop, since the few that are supporting us isn't doing much good anyway. If the jewish lobbies weren't working against us and the jews all just stayed out of the whole thing altogether, I think we would get much further ahead, since they are the ones hindering our progress the most. It's like I'm trying to build a house and ten jews come and remove one brick each every week and one jew comes and places one brick for me, which I appreciate and know he's making a good jesture and doing what he can to help me. ABut after a while, I would get kinda tired of having to replace nine bricks every week and I would tell all the jews to stay away from my house since it seems to be an all or nothing kind of deal where in order to take the one good jew, I have to put up with the ten bad ones and even though I wouldn't have that one good jew comming around anymore, at least I wouldn't have all my bricks left in tact. Sure I would feel bad about the good jew that I lked to see come around, but I would have to tell him I'm sorry but if I want to get this house built, I have to ask you not to come here anymore and not because I don't want you to come here, but because if you come, then they come and if this continues, I'll never get this house built. Not all jews are morons and the jews I know would understand this without getting offended. I know that Israel Charney is one such jew and he's probably surprised that it hasn't happened yet as he has predicted in the past that if these israli/jewish denials continue, this will happen one day and this is something he worries about, because he knows that we're only going to take so much and there is definately a breaking point where Armenians are going to get fed up and say, ENOUGH and I for one have had more than enough.














I disagree its not about finishing the house its about the bricks you are using and how strong they are what material you are using for the bricks a coalition of material makes the strongest bricks, and those no one can steal .

Theres no timetable to finish the house but it is most essential that its build with the strongest material that are not prone to be stolen or whither away

Whether its us that finishes or future generations dont really matter because when the politicall climate is right since this house will show its strength by its mere existence whether its finished or not will be self evident for all to see when they are ready to see it.

[Tatoul]

I'm going to ask Tatoul and the others of like mind some simple questions in as respectful a tone as I can.

1. Was there a Genocide of the Armenians at the hands of the Ottoman Turks during WWI?

2. Was there a Genocide of the Jews at the hands of the German Nazis during WWII?

For now, yes or no answers will do; you don't need to explain your answer unless you feel like it.

Funny that you should ask such questions as you know that a reply would probably result in a banning, so you could be doing this for that reason, but I didn't bring it up, you asked the question.

Yes there was an Armenian Genocide, but it wasn't by the ottoman turks alone. The jews, Dunmeh and the zionists played a very big role and so did Germany. The rest of Europe doesn't have clean hands either, but we'll be dealing with that when the time comes.

Yes there was a genocide of jews, but I don't accept the term holocaust for what happened, nor do I accept the 6 million number. Was it at the hands of Nazi Germany? In my opinion, no. I think the zionist leaders are more responsible for the deaths of those innocent jews more than anyone else and they made no secret of the fact that they cared more about a single cow in palestine than all the jews of Europe and the lives of all those jews was a sacrifice they were willing to make in order to get Palestine.

[Tatoul]

I disagree its not about finishing the house its about the bricks you are using and how strong they are what material you are using for the bricks a coalition of material makes the strongest bricks, and those no one can steal .

Theres no timetable to finish the house but it is most essential that its build with the strongest material that are not prone to be stolen or whither away

Whether its us that finishes or future generations dont really matter because when the politicall climate is right since this house will show its strength by its mere existence whether its finished or not will be self evident for all to see when they are ready to see it.

That's OK, you don't have to agree and I'm not trying to force you to agree. I'm just telling you what I think and how I see it. You're telling me what you think and how you see it and there's nothing wrong with that.

Can you tell me where you buy these bricks that no man can steal?

Bricks that no one can steal. Enough with your silly stories.

[phantom]

I believe all that information was already posted, you should have been paying attention, plus I don't think you're interested and if you think you can play clever little games with me, I've got news for you.

Holocaust and Genocide. That would be like saying lemon and citrus fruit mean the same thing.

Well, why don't you humor me and repost it, or at least point to where it was you first posted it so that I can read it. Or are you afraid that your story is in the same section of the library as Gullivers Travels?