Greek Genocide of Asia Minor

[cosmos2]

First of all I would like to congratulate your nation for your successful effort your genocide to be recognized from the civilized world.For the greeks the armenian genocide is more than a fact.Our grandparents told about those atrocities which are written in every book of greek literature which refers to the specific period.
Unfortunately the efforts of the greek-anatolian-refugy societies to recognize the greek genocide are not well organized & unity also lacks among them!Not to mention that many greeks,both politicians & civilians prefer to forget that matter in order not to harm our precious greek-turkish friendship,the same time that the human rights of what was left from the greek minority of Constantinoupolis are violated & the orthodox Patriarch is threatened from th turkish nationalists.
Even the greek Parliament at 1996 was forced from the turkish&american ambassadors to invalidate their decission for recognition of the armenian genocide & at 1999 to also invalidate the subscribed from the greek President of Democracy,draft of law which consecrating a day of national mourning(9/9)for the greek genocide of Asia Minor.

Chronological the greek genocide took place the period between 1914-1922.Its peaks were at 1917,1919-20 &1922.During the period between 1930-1975,especially 1955 the greek minority of Constantinople was banned from its ancestral homeland & only 2.000 remain now.

According to the french stistics of 1911 the greeks of Thrace & Asia minor were more than 2.400.000.Up to 1928,1.300.000 refugees came to Greece(50.000 armenians among them),80.000 escape at Russia & 150.000 remained at Constantinople under the protection of the international treaties.What happened with the rest 800.000 greeks of Asia minor?

Feel free to ask about the greek holocaust of Asia minor or to give your opinions.I'd also like to learn about the armenian populations of the ottoman vilaets,before the genocide.

Somehow or other, when Turks did a thing to a nation, its name becomes suddenly genocide, on the other hand, things that were made by the others to Turks never becomes genocide. What about the Turks who were deported from Greece. What about my mother’s parents who had to run away from Crete (they used to be indigenous people of the Crete, too, but islamized). What about my father’s parents who had to run away from Salonica. And then after coming to Izmir, they had run away again from Greek army during the occupation of the west Anatolia, (from killing & raping of the Greek Army), while your serving to imperialists.

As if I hear your voice saying that: ‘’ Crete and Salonica are the historical homelands of Greeks’’.

So, I ask you that: ‘’ Did the Greeks take a tittle-deed from the God for the soils?’’ If it is so, show us the deed.

Someday, some people may come to and conquer your soils, then, the soils becomes their own. It is very simple and isn’t hard to understand. A simple reality of the human history. So you must be strong and not to allow the others gain your soils. By the way, Hellektor need to understand that too.

I want to add that there are some words in Turkish that is said after loosing something. ‘’Drink a cold water then’’.

And you seem to forget the exchanging of the Greeks and Turks between Greece and Turkey after your occupation of the west Anatolia. I suppose you add the exchanged Greeks to your numbers for your genocide claim.

And what do you expect from Turkey in the early times of it? If you are nationalist and want to establish a single nation state, you first need to homegenize your population. Especially if the other nations collaborated with the occupiers. This is very simple to understand too.

[Hovik]

So, I ask you that: ‘’ Did the Greeks take a tittle-deed from the God for the soils?’’ If it is so, show us the deed.

Someday, some people may come to and conquer your soils, then, the soils becomes their own. It is very simple and isn’t hard to understand. A simple reality of the human history. So you must be strong and not to allow the others gain your soils.

So unless you are a racist or one who holds racial double-standards you can also apply the same words above to Azerbaijan:

"So, I ask you that: ‘’ Did the Azeris take a tittle-deed from the God for the soils of Armenian Artsakh?’’ If it is so, show us the deed.

Someday, some Armenian people may come to and conquer your soils, then, the soils becomes their own. It is very simple and isn’t hard to understand. A simple reality of the human history. So you must be strong and not to allow the others gain your soils."

Is this how you feel about Armenians now owning Artsakh?

[cosmos2]

So unless you are a racist or one who holds racial double-standards you can also apply the same words above to Azerbaijan:

"So, I ask you that: ‘’ Did the Azeris take a tittle-deed from the God for the soils of Armenian Artsakh?’’ If it is so, show us the deed.

Someday, some Armenian people may come to and conquer your soils, then, the soils becomes their own. It is very simple and isn’t hard to understand. A simple reality of the human history. So you must be strong and not to allow the others gain your soils."

Is this how you feel about Armenians now owning Artsakh?

Has it been written there: ‘’These words are valid for only Greece-Turkey’s case?’’ No. And have I criticized Armenia because of the occupation of anywhere? No again. You can apply these words where you want.

[Hovik]

Has it been written there: ‘’These words are valid for only Greece-Turkey’s case?’’ No. And have I criticized Armenia because of the occupation of anywhere? No again. You can apply these words where you want.

No need to be so snappy, just wanted to make sure. I'm glad you stand with Armenia on the Artsakh conflict and are strong enough to hold everyone to the same standards, this is an uncommon quality...

[Ionas]

the greeks don't want a meter of the former turkish soilthey only want moral indemnification(something less than an excuse) for the genocide matter & adaptation of the human rights & the internationa treties for the Cyprus & the greek minority of Constantinoupolis matter.

It is true that the greek army did horrible atrocities during 1919-1922 noone denies it.And it's a shame for Greece.But all those incidents happened because of dicipline deficiancy,or as reprisals for christian massacres,(this doesn't excuse the actions of the greek army),or when the greek army had been tottaly disbanded during the retreat.They were horrible crimes in the frames of a brutal war.It would n't be a matter if the turkish atrocities were just isolated incidents of hate.They were based on well organized plans of total extermination of the non turkish population,& they were under the wise guidance of the turkish goverments.

[TurQ]

Ionas
it goes way back to early 18th century to Mora massacre and then Cretan Massacres in 1890s of Turks and Greek Muslims and extends to Cyprus in 1963 and 64.

When the Greek army landed to Izmir in 1919, 2000 Turkish soldiers were disarmed by Brits and they were massacred by the Greeks. This is more than a diciplined and organized massacre. I dont wanna blame solely the Greeks, Brits organized Greeks massacred. For the civilians when the Greek soldiers were retreating from Western Anatolia, they burned down the towns, villages, and cities. The massacres of Bursa, Manisa and Aydin is till fresh.

I personally dont want to go deeper on this issue. The Greeks are responsible of horrible massacres and being puppets of the Brits. But the real guilt lies on the Brits and their notorious method of Divide and Conquer.

The relations between Turkey and Greece is getting better.I think our goal should be to improve it.

the greeks don't want a meter of the former turkish soilthey only want moral indemnification(something less than an excuse) for the genocide matter & adaptation of the human rights & the internationa treties for the Cyprus & the greek minority of Constantinoupolis matter.

It is true that the greek army did horrible atrocities during 1919-1922 noone denies it.And it's a shame for Greece.But all those incidents happened because of dicipline deficiancy,or as reprisals for christian massacres,(this doesn't excuse the actions of the greek army),or when the greek army had been tottaly disbanded during the retreat.They were horrible crimes in the frames of a brutal war.It would n't be a matter if the turkish atrocities were just isolated incidents of hate.They were based on well organized plans of total extermination of the non turkish population,& they were under the wise guidance of the turkish goverments.

[Ionas]

The same goes for the turks & the elegant genocide methods which were instracted from their german allies at the begin of the ww1 .The greek army went at turkey in order to protect the christian populations at 1919 but the persecutions against the greek orthodox begun at 1914 when all the male population from the ages 16-50 were condemned into compulsory work at middle east & central asia minor,in to horrible conditions, in order to exterminate the most dangerous (according to the turkish goverment)part of the greek population.Acctually the greeks especialy these of the ionian coast never had the idea to revolute against the turkish authorities.They did that at Pontos after the deportations at central asia minor of the biggest part of the pontian greek populations,in order to keep free some safe mountain passages for the remaining women & children (& to escape at the u.s.s.r.)

soon After the deportation of their husbands,sons,& brothers,those who were left were expelled from the ottoman empire & those who were left were deported 200 miles at central Asia minor but they were also many cases that the deported populations were executed some miles away from their city (f.e.AT Isnik-nikaea).

The things went out of control during the greek turkish war not only at the west coast were someone could say that the atrocities against the greeks, were just war casualties,but at regions which were far away from the war frontier (such as konieh,Nigde,Hamindabad,Pontos)especialy at Pontos the greeks suffered &experienced the genocide in to an extinction level when the populations of whole proviences were forced to march in the middle of winter hundreds of miles without food ,clothes & money.
Even after the end of the war ,all the men between the ages 14-60 & all the women & children who couldn't flee timely from the ionian coast they suffered the faith of deportation &the slow torturing death of starvation & exhaustion.Faith for the greeks & the other non muslim nations which was well known at the anatolian greeks before the greek invasion,faith that the greeks suffered because they were loyal ottoman citizens& just because they believed in a different religion.

The fact that the greek army,& the armenian & pontian rebels did atrocities against the turks is not an excuse to diminish the well organized & premeditated genocide that took place.In the same way that we don't deminish the jewish genocide because there were hebrews among the troops of the russian army that made atrocities against the germans.

As for the fact how old are the massacres that the greeks did against the turks,well I also think that it's a bit redicoulous to go so back b'cause were not the greeks those who enslaved another nation during the 11th-15th century & I never mentioned what the turks did to the greeks when they fought for their independence,or the havoc that turks brought several times at their conguering past,or the casualties among the minority of at 1955 Constantinoupolis,or during the turkish invasion at Cyprus.

The acceptance of a genocide is not against the turkish people or the ottoman civilization .It's against the sick minds of those that decide to exterminate an entire of people just because of their differency.It's a bit tragic.The ionians,cappadocians,lykaonians,pontians,armenians ,assyrians,& kurds of Asia minor survived through the millenias from the Persians,romeans,arabs,mongols,seltzuks,&ottomans to fall victims of an integral extinction at the begin of our modern & civilized century.

[Hovik]

Ionas,

Where can an interested party find hard evidence of a Turkish planned Genocide of Greeks?

Hovik

[Serdar]

I've read about the Constantinople Pogrom encouraged by the thankfully deceased Turkish prime minister Adnan Menderes. It makes me worry about the 40,000 Armenians left in the city today.

[TurQ]

It is organized by civilian coupists at those times. These groups consisted of alliance of CHP supporters ,left-wing intellectuals, media, ex-military personell. They aimed to destabilize the Adnan MEnderes government who won the elections twice with victory against Ismet Inonu's CHP.
There were other events like student demonstrations. Such media was spreading incorrect provocative news to encourage those events. One example is that the news about students being killed by government and buried under newly built highways.
Pogroms in 1955 was after the news about Ataturk's house in Selanik was bombed by Greeks. Nothing had been done to the owner of that newspaper never asked or found guilty. The organizers of 1960 coup are te ones who organized those events. They carried rioters with trucks to the places where minorities live and given appropriate tools to brake into minority businesses. Their homes were marked a night before and the riots started. It is artificially created by the coupists. Adnan Menderes's mistake was that he couldnt comprehend what was going on in the streets and he encouraged the nation to show their response to Greece in big demonstrations. After the riots he visited the places that were hit by rioters. They say his face was totally white and he couldnt speak, he asked a commision be established to investigate what had happened. In following years Adnan Menderes witnessed same kind of provocations by the 1960 coupists, students carried with trucks. He gradually lost control of the street eventhough he got 50% of the vote. When he was hanged in 1961 by the military court, one of the accusations of the coupists was that Adnan Menderes was guilty of 1955 events. His mistake was he always thought that he was the government, he indeed was, but a government without control of the state device.

Correction: It is not Constantinapole, it is Istanbul.

I've read about the Constantinople Pogrom encouraged by the thankfully deceased Turkish prime minister Adnan Menderes. It makes me worry about the 40,000 Armenians left in the city today.