The Turks

[Bulgarian]

hitite why is Turkey spending alot of money around poor nations education systems? Is it really to help them become educated as you would have us believe or is it for some other evil motive?

I find it strange that the Sultans of Turkey didnt even care about educating the Turks during the Ottoman period. The masses of Turks didnt have an opportunity to get education. It was only the richer Turks and the richer ethnic minorities within the Ottoman empire that had a chance to get educated. Turkey still has major problems with a lack of resources and teachers to teach in eastern Turkey, however they can find resources to teach abroad in many different diverse countries?

Heres a likely situation that will happen. A Sudanese graduate of a Turkish school will have to look for a job. When that Sudanese graduate realises that the jobs in Sudan dont pay too much then she/he will realise that there are better paid jobs in Turkey than in Sudan. So many of these graduates will emigrate to Turkey and thus become Turks. In anycase the Sudanese(Turks) who dont emigrate will get jobs in Turkish companies which are starting to make their presence known in that country and other jobs related to Turkish missions, consulates and the embassy of course. Then over time more Turkish schools are going to open up as are even more Turkish businesses and companies. Turkey is trying to create a economic domination of poor African and Asian nations.

[TurQ]

First it is not state's policy it's civil/NGO initiation.
Second, Ottomans had a very modern education system up until 18th century, with the decline of the state, the education system definetly effected by it, but still the high schools opened by Abdulhamit Han, like Kabatas Lisesi or other high schools were among the best compared to their European counterparts.

I have some bad news than for you, there are Turkish schools in Bulgaria as well, I dont know why you are so scared off education. It seems that you are an ignorant person who hates education

hitite why is Turkey spending alot of money around poor nations education systems? Is it really to help them become educated as you would have us believe or is it for some other evil motive?

I find it strange that the Sultans of Turkey didnt even care about educating the Turks during the Ottoman period. The masses of Turks didnt have an opportunity to get education. It was only the richer Turks and the richer ethnic minorities within the Ottoman empire that had a chance to get educated. Turkey still has major problems with a lack of resources and teachers to teach in eastern Turkey, however they can find resources to teach abroad in many different diverse countries?

Heres a likely situation that will happen. A Sudanese graduate of a Turkish school will have to look for a job. When that Sudanese graduate realises that the jobs in Sudan dont pay too much then she/he will realise that there are better paid jobs in Turkey than in Sudan. So many of these graduates will emigrate to Turkey and thus become Turks. In anycase the Sudanese(Turks) who dont emigrate will get jobs in Turkish companies which are starting to make their presence known in that country and other jobs related to Turkish missions, consulates and the embassy of course. Then over time more Turkish schools are going to open up as are even more Turkish businesses and companies. Turkey is trying to create a economic domination of poor African and Asian nations.

[Umay]

hitite why is Turkey spending alot of money around poor nations education systems? Is it really to help them become educated as you would have us believe or is it for some other evil motive?

I find it strange that the Sultans of Turkey didnt even care about educating the Turks during the Ottoman period. The masses of Turks didnt have an opportunity to get education. It was only the richer Turks and the richer ethnic minorities within the Ottoman empire that had a chance to get educated. Turkey still has major problems with a lack of resources and teachers to teach in eastern Turkey, however they can find resources to teach abroad in many different diverse countries?

Heres a likely situation that will happen. A Sudanese graduate of a Turkish school will have to look for a job. When that Sudanese graduate realises that the jobs in Sudan dont pay too much then she/he will realise that there are better paid jobs in Turkey than in Sudan. So many of these graduates will emigrate to Turkey and thus become Turks. In anycase the Sudanese(Turks) who dont emigrate will get jobs in Turkish companies which are starting to make their presence known in that country and other jobs related to Turkish missions, consulates and the embassy of course. Then over time more Turkish schools are going to open up as are even more Turkish businesses and companies. Turkey is trying to create a economic domination of poor African and Asian nations.

As Turq said in his earlier post, the schools in that countries are not funded by the Turkish government. The "evil" motive is to EDUCATE or create opportunities of Education. (you know the meaning of Education,right?)

There are foreign schools in our country. E.G. American collage in İzmir and Mersin,St.Joseph(French) in İstanbul,St.Benoit(also French) in İzmir.

So let me ask you this: The aim of these collages in Turkey is to make the students French or american? You have got to be kidding.

[TurQ]

Umay, I think Bulgarian lost his/her Bulgarian identity because of education, eventhoug it is in 1 in a Million this cases could happen and it happened to our 1 in a million bulgarian friend

As Turq said in his earlier post, the schools in that countries are not funded by the Turkish government. The "evil" motive is to EDUCATE or create opportunities of Education. (you know the meaning of Education,right?)

There are foreign schools in our country. E.G. American collage in İzmir and Mersin,St.Joseph(French) in İstanbul,St.Benoit(also French) in İzmir.

So let me ask you this: The aim of these collages in Turkey is to make the students French or american? You have got to be kidding.

[Tarrak Hasan]

I bet this Bulgarian guy totally has a sick brain and needs to be cured immediately. I suggest you that don't answer his/her posts.

[Umay]

Umay, I think Bulgarian lost his/her Bulgarian identity because of education, eventhoug it is in 1 in a Million this cases could happen and it happened to our 1 in a million bulgarian friend

How sad... is there a cure??

[TurQ]

Modern medicine failed to find one(up to now), but we shouldnt give up and search for a cure in alternative medicine(like some herbs or like koca kari type medicines etc)

How sad... is there a cure??

[Bulgarian]

How sad Turks are twisting what I have said.




Gang’s web of evil

By Ian Haberfield and Carly Crawford

Authorities are investigating a website on which thugs boast of murder, drug dealing and violent assaults.

The Westside Turks website which claims to have 120 gang members, boasts of beating up "skips" (Caucasian Australians) stabbing people at Melbourne nightclubs, attacking rival gangs with machete’s and bashing a truckie with a baseball bat.

— The Herald Sun, pg 9, 17 July 2005


I guess your going to dismiss these terrorist Turks as propaganda?

[Bulgarian]

Turkish Daily News
Jan 17, 2002

Turkish Terrorists Interrogated at Centers in Kuwait and Pakistan, None
Sent to Cuba: Al Qaeda Turks in US Custody

BY ILNUR CEVIK

An unspecified number of Turks, suspected of being members of Osama bin
Laden's al Qaeda terrorist organization, have been caught in Afghanistan
and are being interrogated by U.S. experts in special centers in Kuwait
and Pakistan, Turkish government sources reported.

The sources who asked not to be named said that the Turks were caught
during security operations on al Qaeda hideouts and during clashes in
various parts of Afghanistan.

They said the Turks were not sent to Cuba as they were not regarded as
key al Qaeda people. The Turkish Daily News was told that the Americans
had been moving the most important and "dangerous" al Qaeda terrorists
to the U.S. Guantanamo Navy Base as a safety precaution. However,
Turkish sources also said that the Americans had not ruled out some
Turkish terrorists being sent to Cuba as the interrogation process was
continuing.

Sources said the al Qaeda captives were regarded as "unlawful
combatants" as the U.S. refuses to designate them "prisoners of war"
(POWs).

Sources said the relatively less important al Qaeda terrorist suspects
like the Turks were being held at special interrogation centers in
Pakistan and Kuwait. The sources said how many Turks were under custody
was not known but added that their numbers could increase with new
prisoners coming from Afghanistan.

The Turks along with all other al Qaeda suspects were being interrogated
by American experts and their fate would eventually be discussed with
Turkey. Sources said the Turks could face American military tribunals.

Initial information from the Turks reportedly showed that they were not
key personnel in al Qaeda and that they were generally foot soldiers who
were not privy to sensitive information. Besides this the interrogations
showed that the al Qaeda people operated on a cell system and many of
the foot soldiers were not given sensitive information.

However, Turkish sources said they were told the prisoners taken to Cuba
had furnished the Americans with vital information about al Qaeda's
terrorist operations and its plans.


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> STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP WITH RUSSIA - OR LATEST MANEUVER BY AZERBAIJANI
> PRESIDENT?
>
> Aga-Natig Lalayev
>
> Central Asia/Caucasus Institute
> The Analyst
>
> Wednesday, February 13, 2002
>
> Azerbaijan became a member of the Council of Europe with Armenia
> almost a year ago. Back then, it was presented to the general public
> as a great achievement. However, the current scandal regarding the
> so-called 'political prisoners' seriously undermined the President's
> credentials. At the same time, it damaged the image of his son Ilham
> Aliyev who is proposed by the Aliyev family's supporters as the
future
> president. According to a public poll held by the independent TV and
> radio network ANS, 60 percent of the population of Azerbaijan think
> that it is the unsatisfactory performance of the Azerbaijani
Delegation
> to the Council of Europe, chaired by Ilham Aliyev, that caused the
> negative outcome of the recent Strasbourg session.
>
> At first glance, it seems unlikely that the disagreement between
> Strasbourg and Baku on such a doubtful case as the "political
prisoners"
> in question should affect the situation in the country that badly.
> Moreover, in accordance with its Code, the Council of Europe can only
> express its concern on an advisory level, and cannot force any party
> to act one way or another. However, a range of factors have made
> the situation way more serious than it may seem - at least from an
> Azerbaijani perspective. First of all, it seems that the Bush
> administration is trying to tie a final decision on waiving section
> 907 (prohibiting direct governmental aid to Azerbaijan) to the
> resolution of the Council of Europe on the state of Human Rights in
> the country. Hence the negative report from Strasbourg may compromise
> Aliyev's perceived triumph in having section 90 waived. It seriously
> undermines all actions taken in this direction straight after the
> September Attack and halted a propaganda campaign run by
government-backed
> media, which presented all the accomplishments as a result of the
> "wise course of the President in international politics".
>
> On the other hand, the scandal brings the problem of Human Rights in
> Azerbaijan back to the agenda. This is in direct contradiction with
> official Baku's stance that the country has taken a democratic course
> and is now free of political discrimination. In fact it is not the
> first time that Azerbaijan runs into trouble with the Council of
> Europe. At the end of last year, Strasbourg in unequivocal terms
> expressed concern about a series of arrests and a set of economical
> sanctions against representatives of the opposition media in the
> country. Detentions and beatings had become a standard way of dealing
> with political opposition, and finally triggered an official letter
> of protest from the Council of Europe. It forced the President to
> try and improve the overall situation, and most criminal cases opened
> against the media were dropped. At the same time, the Government had
> to recall many regulations that were initially passed to economically
> undermine oppositional media. Heydar Aliyev met representatives of
> independent TV and radio stations and editors of the independent
> press. He personally expressed his regrets to the fact that police
> used brutal force against people during a December mass protest in
> front of the Parliament building. This intervention lowered the
> tension in society temporarily.
>
> However, the regime is not likely to back off this time. The
> administration even got as far as making an official statement to
> the effect that Azerbaijan would rather freeze its relations with
> the Council of Europe or even leave its ranks, rather than admit the
> fact that it has "political prisoners" - let alone release those
> shown in the list.
>
> Why is President Aliyev, the master of making everybody happy, so
> inflexible this time? The reason is that the major part of the
> so-called "political prisoners" are either members of the
ex-administration
> or his ex-colleagues with the help of whom he managed to come to
> power eight years ago. Presidential elections held after his
coup-like
> arrival to power never managed to eliminated concerns about the
> legitimacy of his administration. If Heydar Aliyev admits the fact
> that there are political prisoners in Azerbaijan, he would hence
> automatically admit the coup itself. Moreover, his ex-partners and
> opponents that are kept behind bars at the moment may once free shed
> some light on the events in 1993. Thus Aliyev's administration is
> trying to explain the reasons behind the scandal by presenting it as
> set up of Armenian Lobby and some anti-Azeri members of the
Parliamentary
> Assembly of the Council of Europe. On the other hand, the
government
> says that while the country is ready for all kind of constructive
> negotiations, it would never let any foreign party pressure
Azerbaijan
> or interfere in its internal affairs.
>
> In the midst of the scandal, it was announced that Heydar Aliyev paid
> an official visit to Moscow. As a result of his meeting with
President
> Putin, a number of crucial treaties were signed, including on the
> division of the Caspian Sea according to the median line principle,
> and on the Gabala radar station located in Azerbaijan. Independent
> reporters stress the fact that the relations between two countries,
> badly affected by the political and military cooperation between
> Armenia and Russia, not only improved, but reached a higher level
> than witnessed since the fall of the USSR. Both presidents believe
> that there is not a single conflict left on fundamental issues, and
> that a strategic partnership is being created between the two states.
>
> The matter is that the Northern Neighbor still remains a key party
> that may help untying the Karabakh Knot. As a matter of fact, the
> Russian delegation was the one that voted against the resolution
> during the Session in Strasbourg. Its head, Mr. Rogozin, in his
speech
> said that the Council of Europe has a dangerous trend of "idealizing
> people trying to support their point of view with arms". It
nevertheless
> remains doubtful whether Heydar Aliyev would rebuild a strategic
> partnership with Russia, thereby endangering the albeit weak support
> from the West. Time will show whether there has been a real change
> in the foreign policy of Azerbaijan or whether another game of chess
> is being played by the aging President aiming to make the United
> States and Europe more helpful to his aims.

http://www.geocities.com/master8885/News/al_queda_turk.html

Turks are serious terrorists. When Europe realises it is at war against Islam I will be pressing hard for all the Turks to be interned due to them being a security threat. Some people may question this but the USA did it to the Japanese Americans during WW2. Its a precaution and it is essential. Imagine 5 million+ Turks arming themselves as suicide bombers. They could destroy Europe.

[TurQ]

Vulgarian is kind of suprised I believe, since bulgaria was run by communist dictator terrorists up until recently he/she might think that terrorists can only be presidents or ruling party members or something not ordinary citizens.
Yes in reality it's the other way around.

well keep on searching yahoonews or google news for the key word Turkish and choose the news that you can(or think you can) vilify Turks. Sounds stupid to me, what aboutyou Bulgarian?



[QUOTE=Bulgarian]Turkish Daily News
Jan 17, 2002

Turkish Terrorists Interrogated at Centers in Kuwait and Pakistan, None
Sent to Cuba: Al Qaeda Turks in US Custody

BY ILNUR CEVIK
QUOTE]