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  • #101
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    Armenians acting along with Russians summoned Muslims civilians in mosques including the chldren and burned them. In Bitlis Armenians along with Russian Cossacks killed 2000 Muslims.

    (" Ruslarla hareket eden yerli Ermenilerin Şıtak’ta Müslüman ahaliyi çoluk çocuk demeden camilere doldurup yaktıkları. Bitlis’te Ermeni çetelerle Kazakların 2 bin Müslüman’ı boğazlamaları.")
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    This is a major flaw of the New Ottoman goverment thesis that Armenians were responsible for what the Russian army did or did not do.
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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    • #102
      If you have a problem what the russians did take it up with them why dont you?


      It has nothing to do with The Armenian Genocide!
      "All truth passes through three stages:
      First, it is ridiculed;
      Second, it is violently opposed; and
      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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      • #103
        I know the meaning, but I wasnt sure about it being to the detainee's family or the detainee himself
        Originally posted by Gavur
        (iaşe) yedirip içirme*, besleme*, bakma*. (bkz: iaşe etmek) (bkz: iaşe ve ibate)http://sozluk.sourtimes.org/

        "Orphan"

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        • #104
          Originally posted by TurQ
          I know the meaning, but I wasnt sure about it being to the detainee's family or the detainee himself



          Whats really interesting is (ortulu odenek) (Secret Payment)
          for poor Armenian komitaci's exiled childrens
          who themselves have been under custody
          for my guess refusing to give the order to fight (like they had the power to)theyre own brethren who were in the Russian army.





          "Gönderilen tahsisat-ı mesturenin (örtülü ödenek) Ermeni komitacılarından fakir olanlarının nezarette bulundukları müddetçe iaşesine sarf olunduğundan Halep vilayetine 10 bin kuruşluk yeni havale yapılması"
          (The secret payment that was sent for the poor orphans that we created of the Armenian komita'ists as long as they are under custody the county of Halep is to be transfered 10,000 Kurus)
          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • #105
            Originally posted by Gavur
            New and improved!



            We're not buying!
            Its impossible this documents have never been seen for 91 years
            in any case if they havent been seen why hide them all this years?
            This is just another gov. propaganda since they are exposed and losing the war of public opinion they resort to trick the public once more with these (before seen and )selected documents from the "secret" archives
            How come you discard every ottoman document as artificially created propaganda while even an Armenian fart is considered evidence of Holy Truth? The Ottoman legacy and its archives have been neglected for soo long that they really were in bad shape until recently and very few people who could understand the Ottoman language and read in Arabic were interested in doing research in this 'sea' of documents. The newly formed secular Republic and what came after it wanted to be seen as far apart from the Ottoman legacy as they could which also contributed to the neglect.

            The more these archives are studied the more we will know of what really happened in detail. That is of course if no political nose is stuck into it.

            The more it becomes easier to talk about the A.G. the more documents Armenians will see emerging from Turks because I believe many private documents pertaining to the era have been kept private because unveiling them would have been suicide in the past. One of these is the list of the number of people that were deported from each province and these documents belong to guess who; Talat himself. Murat Bardakci got these documents from Talats wife Hayriye Hanım in 1982 when she was still alive but he could not make them public due to fear of getting prosecuted. He has also gathered many other documents from other leading figures of the ittihad ve terraki or their relatives. This is a current series in Hürriyet which I think we should all follow.

            Hürriyet - Haber, Son Dakika Haberler, Güncel Gazete Haberleri
            http://www.hurriyetim.com.tr/haber/0,,sid~1@w~1@nvid~568143,00.asp
            Ana Sayfa

            İşte, 1915 tehcirinin il il dökümü
            http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/4303304.asp?yazarid=28&gid=61
            Ermeni tehcirinin mimarı olan Dahiliye Nazırı ve Sadrazam Talát Paşa, 1915 tehcirinin tamamlanmasından sonra, İçişleri Bakanlığı’nın bünyesindeki İskán,...

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            • #106
              Originally posted by someone
              tallturkishtale.com copy/paste bullxxxx tallturkishtale.com copy/paste bullxxxx tallturkishtale.com copy/paste bullxxxx tallturkishtale.com copy/paste bullxxxx tallturkishtale.com copy/paste bullxxxx tallturkishtale.com copy/paste bullxxxx tallturkishtale.com copy/paste bullxxxx tallturkishtale.com copy/paste bullxxxx tallturkishtale.com copy/paste bullxxxx tallturkishtale.com copy/paste bullxxxx
              Originally posted by Gavur
              You are not just a fool but a blind fool HaHaHaHa!

              That xxxx you posted with no source is dripping with Turkish goverment denial and wet through and through with Turkish goverment revisinism.with


              ...Source
              Gavur, don't you see? It's leaking like tallturkishtale.com copy/paste bullxxxx. How can't you see?
              Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

              I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
              II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
              III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
              IV. They shut up and say nothing.

              [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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              • #107
                Originally posted by someone
                you say turks exterminated armenianian in 1915. if Turks wanted to exterminate them why turks didn't do that before ?They had lived together for many centuries.Please give up to say lies! I'm sorry for you too....
                What did I say
                Soooooooooooooo predictable.

                They killed us the moment they set hoof in our beautiful homeland:
                I always direct the new Turkish users to this link, where Aristakes Lastivertsi describers the barbarities committed by your earliest ancestors, the Oghuz (Seljuks), when they ravaged my beautiful land and reduced it to rubbles.

                Haven't you read about the Hamidian Genocide?
                For your information, check this link, where a bibliography of almost a thousand studies is represented that deal only with the genocide of 1894 - 1897 by Abdulhamid.

                It was not war, but people died.
                Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

                I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
                II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
                III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
                IV. They shut up and say nothing.

                [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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                • #108
                  Originally posted by TurQ
                  Yes they actually did poison the food(not bread thats what you are saying)
                  The Armenian soldiers were praised at first for their bravery in Sarighamish, later they became the scapegoat of Enver's stupidity.

                  Originally posted by TurQ
                  I would like to hear from you, then what had happened to neighbouring villages in Kars/Ardahan, and the villages in and around Van during the Russian occupation in spring 1915.

                  tell me what happened then. Next time when you go to Van stop by those Villages and ask for their memory of spring 1915.
                  You are driving me nuts!
                  What the phukk were you doing in Kars/Ardahan in the first place?
                  Who allowed your filthy paws to desecrate my home?
                  If burglars, rapists and murderers break into my home and rape, pillage and kill my entire family I have the god given right to throw that vermin out of my home anyway I like it.

                  These pictures show clearly that the Turks destroyed Van AFTER the Armenians had been driven out.
                  Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

                  I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
                  II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
                  III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
                  IV. They shut up and say nothing.

                  [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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                  • #109
                    Achtung!

                    ACHTUNG - WARNING!
                    Originally posted by 1.5 million
                    TurQ - if 5,000 Azeri Turks joined the Ottoman Army to fight against Russia in WWI would this have justifed a Russian genocide of all Azeris or Turks under their control? Answer me this one...
                    A nation called "Azeri" has never existed throughout human history.

                    The tent-dwelling, Turkic barbarians roaming in the area in those days were called Tatars and even that was a promotion.

                    See if you can find the word "Azeri" in this book:
                    "The Tartars having no civilization of their own, imitated that of Persia, just as the Turks adopted an imitation of Arab culture."
                    Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

                    I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
                    II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
                    III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
                    IV. They shut up and say nothing.

                    [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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                    • #110
                      Originally posted by TurQ
                      This is in TUrkish, newly published, the document is disclosed by Istanbul POlice regarding to the events between 1914-1916.

                      One of the document mentions the massacre of 2,000 Muslims in Bitlis by Armenians and Russian Cossacks.
                      1/ What is the Istanbul police doing having documents relating to the Empire's eastern provinces? An obvious answer is that the document is a fake report written in Cnstantinople in 1915 and intended for release there as black propaganda.

                      2/ Since the Russians never actually captured Bitlis (or any part of Bitlis province) in 1915, there could hardly be any massacres there, could there?
                      Well, massacres of Muslim anyway - there were plenty of massacres of Christians.
                      Plenipotentiary meow!

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