if this forum is for searching truths, i want to contribute

[bell-the-cat]

I dont say all of them are using Russian coins, but if Russian coins found thats an indication of those people are being Armenian(especially in Kars), this is what locals tell, and the location is also another indicator, and some of those massgraves are found by the information provided by locals.

If Russian coins are found then it indicates that those people were in Russian controlled territory, if Ottoman coins are found then it indicates that they were in Turkish controlled territory. Coinage has nothing to do with ethnicity.

[TurQ]

Yes they actually did poison the food(not bread thats what you are saying)

1.5 please stop corrupting what I am saying, you want to change those as the way you want to portray.

I said "during the preparation for the Sarikamis offensive some of the soldiers(in hundreds) were found poisoned in the morning" this is a direct eye-witness account from my great grand dad. It is entirely up to your majesty believe or not, or corrupt it or not.

I would like to hear from you, then what had happened to neighbouring villages in Kars/Ardahan, and the villages in and around Van during the Russian occupation in spring 1915.

tell me what happened then. Next time when you go to Van stop by those Villages and ask for their memory of spring 1915.

Of course you do...and what do they tell you eh? Armenians poisoned all the bread - killing all the Turks in Eastern Anatolia...its no wonder that there are no Turks left there anymore eh?

[TurQ]

Kiling all the Turks in Eastern Anatolia?

Thats what you're saying and distorting, you corrupt it and ask it, then answer your own corrupted question 1.5M.

I am giving the names of those location, and those make up not more then 15% of Eastern Anatolia.

Of course you do...and what do they tell you eh? Armenians poisoned all the bread - killing all the Turks in Eastern Anatolia...its no wonder that there are no Turks left there anymore eh?

[TurQ]

Just read once more what I have said, you are talking "precisely" about the time that Ottomans took Van back, I am talking "precisely" about the period before the and during the Russian/Armenian occupation(and declaration of independence in april1915). And the late fall of 1914 in KArs/Ardahan.
If you have something to say about those dates, I would like to hear it. If not just dont bother


Your points are totally unrelated with what I say,

hahaha - TurQ - your getting more desperate all of the time. BTW - a very interesting Venuzelan gentlemen by the name of Raphale Nogales was commanding the Turkish artillery shelling Van...he wrote a book where he described this and various other actions taken against Armenians and things he saw - among other things...it is called "Four Years Beneath the Crescent" ever heard of it or him? Well he describes in great detail the atrocities and the duplicity of the Turks surrounding and beseiging Van and also describes just how many (non igsignificant amount of) soldiers and artillery and such the Turks were using to turn the city into rubble and kill everyone in it. Likewise he describes that the Turks had so many extra men that a goodly portion of them could be dispatched to all the surouding villages where the rounded up and killed all the Armenains they found...those (women, children and old people) not killed they hearded into Van to additionally burden the Armenians beseiged there....you ought to get out and read a bit more TurQ...relying on Turkish tourist brochures to tell you about what happened in Anatolia in the past is really beginning to show...

[1.5 million]

Kiling all the Turks in Eastern Anatolia?

Thats what you're saying and distorting, you corrupt it and ask it, then answer your own corrupted question 1.5M.

I am giving the names of those location, and those make up not more then 15% of Eastern Anatolia.

Not good enough. While I have never disputed that some of this (Armenains killing Turks) did take placve - I certaily do dispute your and other Turk's contention that 1) Armenians killed Turks first, 2) Armenians killing Turks was the reason for Turks killign Armenains, 3) that Armenains killed any kind of numbers of Turks to even make a blip in population stattistics in the region or such, 4) that outside of a few "revolutionaries" and bandit types (not at all different then the much larger number of Kurds doing the same in the region at the time and before) that there was any kind of Armenian uprising or organized violence against Turks (as clearly was the case against the Armenians), 5) that Anatolian Armenians were in cahoots with the Russians in any militarily meaningful way...etc

Do you realize that most all of these killing s that can be attributed to Armenians occured in the years after the Genocide - they were revenge killings or they were killings of Turkish soldiers who had come to attack them all over again...

There is no argument that you can make that can obviate the CUP/Ottoman Turks for their crimes against the Armenians - we are aware of the facts and we are very aware of Turkish distortions.

[1.5 million]

Just read once more what I have said, you are talking "precisely" about the time that Ottomans took Van back, I am talking "precisely" about the period before the and during the Russian/Armenian occupation(and declaration of independence in april1915). And the late fall of 1914 in KArs/Ardahan.
If you have something to say about those dates.


Your points are totally unrelated with what I say,

Sorry - not at all - you are 100% wrong here. Have you read the book?

[TurQ]

Then why are you so stretched?
I am not saying other than that, it is for the very best, not fair to claim that nothing had happened to Turks and Kurds in KArs, Van, and Bitlis in those times. The CUP actions against civilians can not be acceptable, but this does not mean that the revolutionaries and Russians were upto liberate Van from Ottomans, and they did actually declared independence on 14th of April 1915
and also declared Van as the eternal capital of Van on the very same day.

Do you think this was done for a joke by few soldiers?

The Few revolutionaries that you were talking about is about 5,000 in number, lead by Antranik Ozanyan an Erzurum born Armenian revolutionary ordained as a Russian general. IF you say that this information that I provide is wrong that lets discuss on it. Just tell us if this is correct or not according to you, if not correct which points are not please also provide us those.
What I am saying is no more than this and has nothing to do with CUPs actions towards Armenian civilians.

Not good enough. While I have never disputed that some of this (Armenains killing Turks) did take placve - I certaily do dispute your and other Turk's contention that 1) Armenians killed Turks first, 2) Armenians killing Turks was the reason for Turks killign Armenains, 3) that Armenains killed any kind of numbers of Turks to even make a blip in population stattistics in the region or such, 4) that outside of a few "revolutionaries" and bandit types (not at all different then the much larger number of Kurds doing the same in the region at the time and before) that there was any kind of Armenian uprising or organized violence against Turks (as clearly was the case against the Armenians), 5) that Anatolian Armenians were in cahoots with the Russians in any militarily meaningful way...etc

Do you realize that most all of these killing s that can be attributed to Armenians occured in the years after the Genocide - they were revenge killings or they were killings of Turkish soldiers who had come to attack them all over again...

There is no argument that you can make that can obviate the CUP/Ottoman Turks for their crimes against the Armenians - we are aware of the facts and we are very aware of Turkish distortions.

[TurQ]

OK
What you saying is the TUrks and Kurds went to picnic to the mountains, the remainings commit suicide ot of blue moon, and somehow Fedayins felt like liberating Van etc etc.

Sorry - not at all - you are 100% wrong here. Have you read the book?

[TurQ]

A Venezuelan in Ottoman Army?
Sounds intereting let me check it out from the library.

Sorry - not at all - you are 100% wrong here. Have you read the book?

[1.5 million]

TurQ - if 5,000 Azeri Turks joined the Ottoman Army to fight against Russia in WWI would this have justifed a Russian genocide of all Azeris or Turks under their control? Answer me this one...