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when 2i ndividuals speak, 3rd's share is to eat ...
when 2i ndividuals speak, 3rd's share is to eat ...
Originally posted by Bulgarian
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In other words you know Im right but you dont know how you can respond.Originally posted by TurQ
Out of your 700 post I bet you havent even acknowledged the genocide yet.Comment
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Absolutely, and something has been done as you can see by that members status.Originally posted by bell-the-catThat sounds a bit like a personal insult.
Doesn't it? Moderators??
I'm only going to ask you one more time bell, if you see a violation, have a problem with another member use the "report" utility under the username of the person in the post window that you are reporting to let us know about it, refrain from doing so in the public forum. If you don't understand how to use the report utility PM me and I'll explain it to you.
HovikComment
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New Archival Documents from Police Forces of IStanbul(1914-1916)
This is in TUrkish, newly published, the document is disclosed by Istanbul POlice regarding to the events between 1914-1916.
One of the document mentions the massacre of 2,000 Muslims in Bitlis by Armenians and Russian Cossacks.
The archival documents should be critisized or analyzed by Armenian Historians.
It is in Turkish, I give the link
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TurQ, would it be posssible to paraphrase that link?Comment
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Originally posted by TurQ
New and improved!
We're not buying!
Its impossible this documents have never been seen for 91 years
in any case if they havent been seen why hide them all this years?
This is just another gov. propaganda since they are exposed and losing the war of public opinion they resort to trick the public once more with these (before seen and )selected documents from the "secret" archives"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)Comment
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POlice Archives are opened new, the other Ottoman archives were opened in mid 1980s, and there were few scholars who were able to conduct research on it, so archival study in Turkey is pretty new.
The autenticity of the archives can easily be judged by historians, so this issue can easily be handled. They could easily be examined unlike Adoyan's telegrams. One issue is that the document is selected among others, so all of the documents should be opened without any restrictions for both sides in order to have a scholarly analysis.
I m not saying that that document alone means everything, but it has some information thats it.
Originally posted by GavurComment
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These are for 1914-1916 related to Istanbul events. not all of them are translated and I cant guarantee 100% of accuracy for the translation thats why I gave the Turkish link
The word iashe is puzzling me, but as I understand for those revolutionaries whose families are poor, to be supported during their imprisonment and 10,000 Kurush has been sent for that purpose
"Gönderilen tahsisat-ı mesturenin (örtülü ödenek) Ermeni komitacılarından fakir olanlarının nezarette bulundukları müddetçe iaşesine sarf olunduğundan Halep vilayetine 10 bin kuruşluk yeni havale yapılması"
Dental doctor Daroid Jerrahpiyan and his dad is allowed to go Izmit, until the peace is restored(from where? it is not mentioned these are quotes)
" Diş tabibi Daroid Cerrahpiyan’ın babasıyla birlikte asayişin sağlanacağı zamana kadar İzmit’e gidişine izin verilmesi. "
After Mihran Darijian's acquittal he was allowed to return back(from Aleppo) to Istanbul to his family
"İstanbul’dan Halep’e sevk edilen Mihran Darıcıyan’ın suçsuz bulunduğu anlaşıldığından ailesiyle İstanbul’a dönüşüne izin verilmesi."
Gulehman the son of Oseb is allowed to go to Istanbul and register to the school of veterinary.
" Baytar mektebine kayıt yapmak için Dersaadete gitmek isteyen Ermeni Gülehman oğlu Oseb’e izin verilmesi."
Armenians acting along with Russians summoned Muslims civilians in mosques including the chldren and burned them. In Bitlis Armenians along with Russian Cossacks killed 2000 Muslims.
" Ruslarla hareket eden yerli Ermenilerin Şıtak’ta Müslüman ahaliyi çoluk çocuk demeden camilere doldurup yaktıkları. Bitlis’te Ermeni çetelerle Kazakların 2 bin Müslüman’ı boğazlamaları."
Vertabet Komidas is allowed to go Vienna for medical assistance.
" Vertabet Komidas’ın tedavi için Viyana’ya gitmesine izin verilmesi."
A report ragarding to activities of revolunary Armen Pastirmajiyan and the money tht was collected in US to be destruted to volunteer fighters and a report from Bucharest regarding to this.
" Ermeni ihtilalcı Armen Pasdırmacıyan’ın Ermenilerin Kafkasya’daki faaliyetleri ve Amerika’da toplanan paraların Ermeni gönüllülere verilmesine dair Bükreş’ten gelen rapor."
Convert or not women or men no Armenian is allowed to move(from a city to another?) without any permission
" Mühtedi ya da gayri mühtedi kadın ve erkek bütün Ermenilerin izin almaksızın bir yerden başka bir yere gitmesinin yasak olduğu.
A murdered Armenian women to be buried and the matter be investigated about the responsible
" Öldürülmüş bulunan bir Ermeni kadının defnedilerek failleri hakkında tahkikat yapılaması."
Originally posted by KharpertComment
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(iaşe) yedirip içirme*, besleme*, bakma*. (bkz: iaşe etmek) (bkz: iaşe ve ibate)http://sozluk.sourtimes.org/
Turkish dictionary=Sozluk
Besleme="Orphan""All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)Comment
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I have looked at some Ottoman documents that contain similar if not identical info."All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)Comment
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