Reperation? Ok but How much?

[Joseph]

Everyone might have different agenda, but our duty must be reaching some compromise with the ordinary Armenians who wish to resettle in Anatolia.

I dont favour nationalism, however, I believe that the cultural aura of each ethnicity could be protected, and this notion could also be applicable to the Armenians who wish to migrate back to Turkey.

That's very reasonable.

[ScythianVizier]

That's very reasonable.

Thank you.

In a sense, it is not a bad idea to attract the Armenians who might think about resettling back to Turkey. As Turkey's GDP per capita is predicted to exceed USD 10.000 by the year 2013, I believe that Turkey could be an attractive location for them too.

In fact, if Turkey becomes an EU member (or a country which is associated with the EU system), then it would be easier for Armenians to set up their lives in Turkey, in a country that would act as the bridge between Europe and Armenia.

[imported_Hellektor]

Hellektor,

I know you are a passionate guy but please don't curse, ok?

Dear Joseph,

The "Eastern Anatolian" bet cannot be expressed any other way. I always paste it and I hope I am not offending anybody. You see that I put my ass on the line and I say "F ME" first. I hope this much tolerance can be expected from the forum.

We are human beings, we also cuss. The F word has lost its power a long time ago. It just serves as an emphatic term. You hear it a thousand times daily on TV, in the street, etc.

I do apologize for any offense caused by this, but I'm afraid I have to repeat it everytime one calls Armenia "Eastern Anatolia", even under the danger of being banned

[maral_m79]

Maral

Cant wait to see how Hague gonna result!.

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Yes I'm waiting for Hague to rule on this

TurQ

Did you EVEN READ what I wrote ????

If ICJ ( = The Hague "in case you still didn't get it") take cases OLDER than it's foundation date .. I would file for sueing Turkey for the Armenian Genocide TOMORROW...

Yes, individuals can sue too I guess you don't know that either !!!
You'll need to do more reading TurQ, to EXPAND your horizon before you make comments on issues you have no idea about ....


Do I need to reapeat it again...

[Heat]

TurQ

Did you EVEN READ what I wrote ????

He doesn't read anything, he just mindlessly repeats the same old turkish BS over and over again like a typical turk.

At another forum a similar turk posted this.

Armenia
Encyclopædia Britannica Article

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History > Modern Armenia > The republic of Armenia
Find complete information about this country by visiting the country page.

In 1916 the Armenian regions of the Ottoman Empire fell to the Russian army, but in March 1918 the Soviet Union (having succeeded Russia) was forced by the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk to cede all of Ottoman Armenia and part of Russian Armenia to the now moribund Ottoman Empire, though some Armenians continued to hold out against the advancing Ottomans. On April 22, 1918, Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan formed the Transcaucasian Federal Republic, but their basic diversity soon caused them to split into separate republics; Armenia declared independence on May 28. Although short-lived, this Armenian republic was the first independent Armenian state since the Middle Ages. On June 4 Armenia was forced to sign the Treaty of Batum with the Ottoman state, acknowledging the pre-1878 Russo-Turkish frontier along the Arpa and Aras rivers as its boundary, but after the Allied victory in World War I the Armenians reoccupied Alexandropol (now Gyumri) and Kars. A short war ensued with Georgia for the possession of the cities of Borchalu (modern Marneuli, Georgia) and Akhalk'alak'i and with Azerbaijan for the Karabakh region; despite temporary military success, these areas were destined to remain outside Armenia. On January 15, 1920, the Allies recognized the de facto existence of the three Transcaucasian republics. U.S. President Woodrow Wilson hoped to persuade the United States to accept a mandate for an independent Armenia, but the Senate refused the responsibility (June 1, 1920). On August 10 Armenia, now recognized de jure, signed the Treaty of Sèvres, by which the Ottomans recognized Armenia as a free and independent state. On November 22 Wilson, as instructed, announced projected boundaries that ceded to Armenia most of the provinces of Erzurum, Trabzon, Van, and Bitlis. Already in the summer of 1919, however, the new Ottoman Turkish government of Ankara, under Mustafa Kemal (Atatürk), had repudiated Constantinople's treaties with Armenia. In September 1920 the Turks attacked, seizing Kars and Alexandropol by November 7. By the Treaty of Alexandropol on December 2, 1920, Armenia renounced all pre-1914 Turkish territories and Kars and Ardahan, recognized that there were no Armenian minorities in Turkey, and accepted that the region of Nakhichevan should form an autonomous Turkish state.

He had previously written: "The new Turkish republic and the Ottoman empire are two completely different elements." and he was insisting that Armenians had signed the Lausanne Treaty, which was the point he was trying to make by posting the above article from Britannica.

[TurQ]

For me it is totally an ill-logic that we were here before you and you have no right to be there etc etc.

I also am in afvor of settling some Armenians in Turkey, it could start with opening a big cultural centre that focuses on common TUrkish-Armenian history/culture, and artists or intellectuals be given citizenship to run such a center. At least the some of those whose families left Turkey after 1930s be given their citizenship. I think these would easily be achived after decreasing tension and mistrust between two nations.

Akdamar's Church restoration might set an example for such an initiation may be.

Everyone might have different agenda, but our duty must be reaching some compromise with the ordinary Armenians who wish to resettle in Anatolia.

I dont favour nationalism, however, I believe that the cultural aura of each ethnicity could be protected, and this notion could also be applicable to the Armenians who wish to migrate back to Turkey. I think, such mindset is crucial since regaining hearts of the Armenian nation will be a huge relief for Turkey and the Turks.

[Heat]

Armenians who wish to migrate back to Turkey.

Back to turkey? Looks like a little Frauedian slip here.

I though there was no turkey back then. Isn't that what the turks keep saying? It was the "ottoman empire" at the time of the expulsions and genocide they say. But here is an admission that it's still the same old land occupied by the same old turks.

Regardless, Armenians want nothing to do with migrating to turkey. We intend on getting our land back and migrate to our own country called Armenia.

[TurQ]

Obviously you didnt read what i hve wrote.
I say that the problem with such Armenians like yourself do not even recognize Lausanne treaty and then later onz agonize over Turkey not abiding the Lausanne.

I clearly pointed out that Lausanne is not honored, thats the major problem on your side.

He doesn't read anything, he just mindlessly repeats the same old turkish BS over and over again like a typical turk.

At another forum a similar turk posted this.

Armenia
Encyclopædia Britannica Article

Page 28 of 30

Print PagePrint ArticleE-mail ArticleCite Article
History > Modern Armenia > The republic of Armenia
Find complete information about this country by visiting the country page.

In 1916 the Armenian regions of the Ottoman Empire fell to the Russian army, but in March 1918 the Soviet Union (having succeeded Russia) was forced by the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk to cede all of Ottoman Armenia and part of Russian Armenia to the now moribund Ottoman Empire, though some Armenians continued to hold out against the advancing Ottomans. On April 22, 1918, Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan formed the Transcaucasian Federal Republic, but their basic diversity soon caused them to split into separate republics; Armenia declared independence on May 28. Although short-lived, this Armenian republic was the first independent Armenian state since the Middle Ages. On June 4 Armenia was forced to sign the Treaty of Batum with the Ottoman state, acknowledging the pre-1878 Russo-Turkish frontier along the Arpa and Aras rivers as its boundary, but after the Allied victory in World War I the Armenians reoccupied Alexandropol (now Gyumri) and Kars. A short war ensued with Georgia for the possession of the cities of Borchalu (modern Marneuli, Georgia) and Akhalk'alak'i and with Azerbaijan for the Karabakh region; despite temporary military success, these areas were destined to remain outside Armenia. On January 15, 1920, the Allies recognized the de facto existence of the three Transcaucasian republics. U.S. President Woodrow Wilson hoped to persuade the United States to accept a mandate for an independent Armenia, but the Senate refused the responsibility (June 1, 1920). On August 10 Armenia, now recognized de jure, signed the Treaty of Sèvres, by which the Ottomans recognized Armenia as a free and independent state. On November 22 Wilson, as instructed, announced projected boundaries that ceded to Armenia most of the provinces of Erzurum, Trabzon, Van, and Bitlis. Already in the summer of 1919, however, the new Ottoman Turkish government of Ankara, under Mustafa Kemal (Atatürk), had repudiated Constantinople's treaties with Armenia. In September 1920 the Turks attacked, seizing Kars and Alexandropol by November 7. By the Treaty of Alexandropol on December 2, 1920, Armenia renounced all pre-1914 Turkish territories and Kars and Ardahan, recognized that there were no Armenian minorities in Turkey, and accepted that the region of Nakhichevan should form an autonomous Turkish state.

He had previously written: "The new Turkish republic and the Ottoman empire are two completely different elements." and he was insisting that Armenians had signed the Lausanne Treaty, which was the point he was trying to make by posting the above article from Britannica.

[elendil]

Regardless, Armenians want nothing to do with migrating to turkey. We intend on getting our land back and migrate to our own country called Armenia.

70 millions will be waiting......

[imported_RUDO]

Regardless, Armenians want nothing to do with migrating to turkey. We intend on getting our land back and migrate to our own country called Armenia.

Hmmmmm.It seems like a utopia.

But don't give up.

Our dreams are our aims of life.

But migrating to Turkey and living with Turks and Kurds looks more realistic.

Think that option too.

Please!!!