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  • #11
    Joseph I am not expecting good will. I'm just pissed off at these people who say they want to bring Turkey to its knees. Not extending your goodwill to a country and wishing their total destruction are totally different things. Bloody hell, if Greece is the case I could say "I want Greece to lose power (which it lacks anyway) so we can get back all the historically Greek which later became Ottoman lands to make them recognize the massacres of the Turks in Thrace" but I think thats bullxxxx so I dont say it. I'm not in any way trying to disrespsect the A.G. by saying Turks were killed 'in Greece too' I'm just trying to expose the sick mind behind this Greek idiot.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by hitite
      Joseph I am not expecting good will. I'm just pissed off at these people who say they want to bring Turkey to its knees. Not extending your goodwill to a country and wishing their total destruction are totally different things. Bloody hell, if Greece is the case I could say "I want Greece to lose power (which it lacks anyway) so we can get back all the historically Greek which later became Ottoman lands to make them recognize the massacres of the Turks in Thrace" but I think thats bullxxxx so I dont say it. I'm not in any way trying to disrespsect the A.G. by saying Turks were killed 'in Greece too' I'm just trying to expose the sick mind behind this Greek idiot.
      turks are real comedians.....massacres if turks BOO HOO HOO fiction writer.

      Damn right that all of your neighbors who have been unfortunate enough to live around you want your destruction.


      'Justice may be asleep for a long time, but it never dies'......The Indians call it Karma.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Varouj
        turks are real comedians.....massacres if turks BOO HOO HOO fiction writer.
        Well I did say it was bullxxxx but since you took it for real I guess you like eating xxxx. Carry on bugger.

        Originally posted by Varouj
        Damn right that all of your neighbors who have been unfortunate enough to live around you want your destruction.
        Thanks for waking me up from the dream I've been having that we really could get to terms one day. With guys like you around Turkey will never recognize the A.G. I doubt you give a crap about this recognition anyway. Or is it "Turkey should recognize the Armenian Genocide as as step towards its destruction"; is that how it works?

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        • #14
          Originally posted by hitite
          Well I did say it was bullxxxx but since you took it for real I guess you like eating xxxx. Carry on bugger.

          Thanks for waking me up from the dream I've been having that we really could get to terms one day. With guys like you around Turkey will never recognize the A.G. I doubt you give a crap about this recognition anyway. Or is it "Turkey should recognize the Armenian Genocide as as step towards its destruction"; is that how it works?
          Well said, hittite. I think we should say the following in order to satisfy the buggers: "You guys can keep on hating us no matter what & unconditionally, regard every bit of Turkish self-criticism and democratic protest as another step towards Turkey's destruction, insult and cuss each and every Turkish action regardless. Despite all of this Turkbashingmania, we Turks will do our best to dig up our past injustices so you can attack, cuss, scapegoat & terrorize us more."

          Fortunately, I have not turned that 'enlightened' yet, so I am destined to be bugger-bashed for some time to come

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          • #15
            Not extending your goodwill to a country and wishing their total destruction are totally different things.
            I don't wish the destruction of Turkey though, I argued against people that wished to destroy Turkey here, I only wish for Turkey to recognize what it did, the way Germany did, all Turkey has to do for me and many Greeks who share my views to stop thinking ill of it and wanting it to lose power is to recognize the Armenian Genocide, and make ammends for it's past instead of denying. I do not hate individual Turks, and I do not support the destruction of Turkey, and I would not have posted articles with thumbs up of Turks being killed (The ones I chose are had no bloodshed), however I am 100% against Genocide and that covers Genocide Denial. I would love for a powerful Turkey to recognize the Armenian Genocide, however because that is not possible I wish for Turkey to lose power so it can be compelled to, hence my thumbs up for Turkey hurting it's relations with an ally.

            I believe that covers the rest of what you said, and I'm sorry if I seem hateful to you for wishing to use political force to fain justice, however I hope my post will get you to understand my politics and my views better.

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            • #16
              Well said Ghondo!
              "All truth passes through three stages:
              First, it is ridiculed;
              Second, it is violently opposed; and
              Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

              Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Gondorian
                I don't wish the destruction of Turkey though, I argued against people that wished to destroy Turkey here, I only wish for Turkey to recognize what it did, the way Germany did, all Turkey has to do for me and many Greeks who share my views to stop thinking ill of it and wanting it to lose power is to recognize the Armenian Genocide, and make ammends for it's past instead of denying. I do not hate individual Turks, and I do not support the destruction of Turkey, and I would not have posted articles with thumbs up of Turks being killed (The ones I chose are had no bloodshed), however I am 100% against Genocide and that covers Genocide Denial. I would love for a powerful Turkey to recognize the Armenian Genocide, however because that is not possible I wish for Turkey to lose power so it can be compelled to, hence my thumbs up for Turkey hurting it's relations with an ally.

                I believe that covers the rest of what you said, and I'm sorry if I seem hateful to you for wishing to use political force to fain justice, however I hope my post will get you to understand my politics and my views better.
                I agree. As I said before, Armenia has neither the power or desire to hurt Turkey in any way but there are certainly problems within Turkey that are being exacerbated that Armenians are not responsible. The Kurdish problem is not getting any better.
                General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                • #18
                  To our Turkish members accusing us of wanting the destruction of their country: We don't want Turkey destroyed. We simply want recognition and what Gondorian was trying to say was that Turkey won't recognize the genocide as long as it's got Israel and US's support. The only way to get recognition is if Turkey loses its power. That said, if our countries (Turkey and Armenia) can normalize their relations, a strong Turkey would only benefit us Armenians and improve the region and make it stronger. The stronger your neighbors are, the better off you are. However, since Turkey refuses any kind of relations with Armenia, these will only happen after the recognition of the A.G., which takes us back to Turkey losing its backup.

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                  • #19
                    To our Turkish members accusing us of wanting the destruction of their country: We don't want Turkey destroyed. We simply want recognition and what Gondorian was trying to say was that Turkey won't recognize the genocide as long as it's got Israel and US's support. The only way to get recognition is if Turkey loses its power. That said, if our countries (Turkey and Armenia) can normalize their relations, a strong Turkey would only benefit us Armenians and improve the region and make it stronger. The stronger your neighbors are, the better off you are. However, since Turkey refuses any kind of relations with Armenia, these will only happen after the recognition of the A.G., which takes us back to Turkey losing its backup.
                    Sorry to say but Tongue is right. Our benefits clash in every aspect of life with Armenia, just as Armenia's benefits clash with us. Turkey will never recognize Armenian Genocide (regardless of the level of its power I believe) and Armenia will never give up. But Turkey has one strong ally on its side. Not America, not Israel, not Russia. Time... A century after this Armenian genocide claims and the debate about it will probably lose the momentum it posseses today.

                    As to our blockade to Armenia, we should continue to press on. Not for genocide recogniton policy but for Karabağ and Azerbaijan problem. This problem hurts our future oil pipeline projects, also technically speaking, acts as a buffer zone which cuts our connection to Asia. Opening borders with Armenia will bring us a few million dollars in a year , but the projects we can build with our Asiatic cousins are immense compared to this little trade potential. I am not a greywolf, I am not Turanist but it is crystal clear that Turkey as a state must look to its interest and that interest is not opening
                    border without end of occupation of Azerbaijan.

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                    • #20
                      Interesting logic sold one
                      Karabagh is ocuppied wheres western Armenia is not ?
                      keep walking this line of reasoning it will surely bring destruction of your house of cards.
                      "All truth passes through three stages:
                      First, it is ridiculed;
                      Second, it is violently opposed; and
                      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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