Turkey destroying it's support again

[imported_oslonor]

A secular and a religous regime side by side is not compatible in the long run. One has to go.

[Bulgarian]

What if they have a common (Kurdish) enemy?

[kerkuk_kurdista]

Indeed, they are always friends when it comes to the Kurds.
Both countries fire artillery shells weekly into Iraqi Kurdistan.
Iran gives captures PKK militants to Turkey directly.
They have always worked together to crush every Kurdish uprising.

[imported_oslonor]

Indeed, they are always friends when it comes to the Kurds.
Both countries fire artillery shells weekly into Iraqi Kurdistan.
Iran gives captures PKK militants to Turkey directly.
They have always worked together to crush every Kurdish uprising.

The conflicts between Turkey and Islamic Republic is on a much higher level than any problems they have with Kurds. Actually Islamic Republic support those Kurds that target the Turkish state.

[bell-the-cat]

In 1955, Turkey used a pogrom against the Greeks of Istanbul,
destroying the property and livelihood of some 80,000 Greeks, in
effect, exterminating millennia of Greek civilization in Asia Minor,
the Greeks? Ionia. The British actively encouraged Turkey in that
barbarous onslaught on the Greeks because the British hated the
Cypriot Greeks who were resisting British colonialism in Cyprus.

America dismissed the whole Turkish atrocity outright, telling Greek
government officials to immediately shake hands with the Turks.

In 1974, with the blessings of England and those of America, Turkey
invaded and captured a third of the Greek island of Cyprus. The Turks
killed thousands of Greek Cypriots, forcing close to 200,000 to become
refugees in their own land.

Anyone who wants to put the nationalistic fantasies that most Turks hold about their history into perspective, need only look at Greece. The junk-myths held by that country (the joke of Europe) and its sheep-like diaspora, makes those within Turkey almost seem reasonable.

[Joseph]

Anyone who wants to put the nationalistic fantasies that most Turks hold about their history into perspective, need only look at Greece. The junk-myths held by that country (the joke of Europe) and its sheep-like diaspora, makes those within Turkey almost seem reasonable.

Indeed, within both the Greek and Armenian communities there are people who are so jingoistic that it makes me shake my head but it's like that old adage about which came first, the chicken or the egg. In my view, Armenian and Greek hyper-nationalism stems from centuries of victimhood; suffering at the hands of Turkish nationalism most recently and in the past living as dhimmis and having your proud heritage/culture/nation become gradually erased or even "re-appropriated".

The Greeks no doubt have a proud history and one that has had such a profound and mostly positive effect on Western society (in the area of arts, humanities, intellectual pursuits, etc) that I can see why they are at times very demonstrative about their people. I also believe there is intermixed within their pride an anger that so much of their culture and history has been co-opted by their ememies.

[Joseph]

An interesting link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio#Turkey

[Vogelgrippe]

Indeed, within both the Greek and Armenian communities there are people who are so jingoistic that it makes me shake my head but it's like that old adage about which came first, the chicken or the egg. In my view, Armenian and Greek hyper-nationalism stems from centuries of victimhood; suffering at the hands of Turkish nationalism most recently and in the past living as dhimmis and having your proud heritage/culture/nation become gradually erased or even "re-appropriated".

The Greeks no doubt have a proud history and one that has had such a profound and mostly positive effect on Western society (in the area of arts, humanities, intellectual pursuits, etc) that I can see why they are at times very demonstrative about their people. I also believe there is intermixed within their pride an anger that so much of their culture and history has been co-opted by their ememies.

On this issue I agree with bell-the-cat that among the Turkish, Armenian, Greek, and Balkan (with the possible exception of Serbian) nationalism, Greeks lead by far regarding the intensity of arrogance, chauvenism, 'we never did anything bad' attititude, and self righteousness.

They can go so far and argue that Turks had committed genocide against them between 1919-1922 when Western Turkey was occupied by Greece with its 80.000 soldiers + armed militia recruited from Ottoman Greeks. According to them, these noble heirs to Hellenistic culture are never capable of attrocities, but only Turks are...

This is not to say, of course, that there are no Turks or Armenians who are as ridiculous as Greeks on individual basis.

[Gondorian]

Anyone who wants to put the nationalistic fantasies that most Turks hold about their history into perspective, need only look at Greece. The junk-myths held by that country (the joke of Europe) and its sheep-like diaspora, makes those within Turkey almost seem reasonable.

We had the first written alphabet, we invented democracy, we felled the mighty armies of Persia when they tried to conquer us, our philosophers are required reading at every credible university from London to Tokyo to New York, our literature to is required for all to read, the tactics of our military greats are still studied at every military academy, need I really go into some of our countless other things such as artistic acomplishments?

[elendil]

Denying the contrubiton of Greek and Greek-Roman cultures to the world's progress bar is simply missing history itself as a Turk I can say that.

A nation's nationalism background is formed of mhyts that is based on the realities of a nation's actions on ground. It is natural that these are "mhyts".

We came from middle-asia because of hunger and cold not because a wolf said, " I have nothing to do , but hey perhaps I can lead these people emerging from valley of Ergenekon, yeeesss??" . But our nation's symbol is still grey wolf.

Or Kurd's mhyt;
Kurdish people were ruled by an evil ruler called Dehak who had two snakes on his shoulder sides which ate children(This part varies).Then Kurds decided that the ruler was evil and overthrew him thus they gained their freedom.

Humor the people who tells mhyts. I humor greywolves, I humor leftists who think communism is always just and right. After all they are stories of people nothing more...