Armenian genocide from a Turk's point of view

[bell-the-cat]

I missed the reference, I thought you were calling him a drunk because you did not agree with him.

BTW, I don't think they are the same people, but I saw a similarity in their writing styles - which does not encourage me to engage in friendly correspondance with him, especially since his post that prompted my comment was not friendly (I see it has also been removed).

[bell-the-cat]

We're not talking about the accuracy of the article as it stands,wiki is not a a medium for such purpose, but Kurds Genocide has been carried out by the Turks and that cannot be repeated enough times.Let me make this clear I feel only revolution in Turkey can severe Turkey from its guilts!

Nothing even close to genocide was committed against Kurds during WW1. You should show greater concern about this misuse of the word "genocide" - after all, you are wanting it used correctly to describe what happened to Armenians during the same period.

[Edoman]

There was no "personal insult". Well, OK, suggesting Edoman might in someway resemble Winoman (in a way other than just the similarity in user names) is indeed a personal insult to Edoman - but I doubt anyone got the reference (unless Edoman is actually Winoman).

Hey jingle bells; I wasn’t whining to you, I was challenging you to stand behind what you write. If you don’t like what I say and you are unable to engage in a professional manner then I advise that it would be better to say nothing than reduce yourself to name-calling. I wasn’t going to respond to your comment because I consider that type of response to my posts as mission accomplished in my part.

No hard feeling here from me. I am seriously very happy that you are back.

BTW, I drink like a fish when I get the chance (which isn't much these days). If you end up in LA, drinks are on me.
See you around.

[chinchilla]

Nothing even close to genocide was committed against Kurds during WW1. You should show greater concern about this misuse of the word "genocide" - after all, you are wanting it used correctly to describe what happened to Armenians during the same period.

Raffi's Jalaleddin doesn't seem to print a very pretty picture of Armeno-Kurdish relations in the empire. I've always wanted to read it, and an English translation by Donald Abcarian is available for £6.00 or $10.00. But Amazon doesn't have it, so I'll have to look around.

[Gavur]

Nothing even close to genocide was committed against Kurds during WW1. You should show greater concern about this misuse of the word "genocide" - after all, you are wanting it used correctly to describe what happened to Armenians during the same period.

If not in 1915,what about 1925 or '30's,Dersim Kurds,white Genocide against the Kurds!

[Joseph]

If not in 1915,what about 1925 or '30's,Dersim Kurds,white Genocide against the Kurds!

While many Kurds have a role in the Genocide of Christians before and after WWI; the Dersim, Sheko Kurds, and certain Alevi Kurds {who most likely were Armenians a few centuries prior} helped Armenians escape and were later wiped out in the 1920's after an alleged uprising. The Dersim are gone and I believe this can be considered genocide. My cousin's grandfather and his family were delivered by the Dersim to Andranik's forces to escape slaughter and then eventually made it to the US a few years later.

Some Kurds, such as Simko, slaughtered the Armenians at the behest of the Turkish authorities during WWI but later rose up when they felt they did not fully benefit from the eradication of Armenians and Assyrians.

A very interesting history and and debate.

[Joseph]

While many Kurds have a role in the Genocide of Christians before and after WWI; the Dersim, Sheko Kurds, and certain Alevi Kurds {who most likely were Armenians a few centuries prior} helped Armenians escape and were later wiped out in the 1920's after an alleged uprising. The Dersim are gone and I believe this can be considered genocide. My cousin's grandfather and his family were delivered by the Dersim to Andranik's forces to escape slaughter and then eventually made it to the US a few years later.

Some Kurds, such as Simko, slaughtered the Armenians at the behest of the Turkish authorities during WWI but later rose up when they felt they did not fully benefit from the eradication of Armenians and Assyrians.

A very interesting history and and debate.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=157244

What a coincidence!

[lal]

While many Kurds have a role in the Genocide of Christians before and after WWI; the Dersim, Sheko Kurds, and certain Alevi Kurds {who most likely were Armenians a few centuries prior} helped Armenians escape and were later wiped out in the 1920's after an alleged uprising. The Dersim are gone and I believe this can be considered genocide. My cousin's grandfather and his family were delivered by the Dersim to Andranik's forces to escape slaughter and then eventually made it to the US a few years later.

Some Kurds, such as Simko, slaughtered the Armenians at the behest of the Turkish authorities during WWI but later rose up when they felt they did not fully benefit from the eradication of Armenians and Assyrians.

A very interesting history and and debate.

ı dont think every slaughter can be called a genocide. there cant be a kurd genocide, because they are today living all over turkey and their percentage is growing higher every year. also there cant be a greek genocide either. because they did relatively similar slaughters against muslims in greece.and there was a programmed exchange between the two countries. but ı think armenian genocide is real and unique. because all anatolia was evacuated without a certain agreement and safe journey to a certain country. also turks in erivan was sent to anatolia. but it was not comparable to armenians numbers. there is a mountainous small acountry called armenia, but the reality is millions of armenians are lost people spreaded all over the world. maybe asyrian cleanings can be called a genocide also. but ı dont know their history well.

[ardakilic]

there cant be a kurd genocide, because they are today living all over turkey and their percentage is growing higher every year.

It can't be an argument proving Kurdish Genocide happened. Terminology is not important at that point i think, but particularly during 1938-1940, a heavy crime against humanity commited in Dersim.

also there cant be a greek genocide either. because they did relatively similar slaughters against muslims in greece.

Again, terminology is not important but lal, what should we call 1912-1913 Greek exile?

maybe asyrian cleanings can be called a genocide also. but ı dont know their history

It is lal. Although there is no decree about 'deportation' of Assyrian and other ancient Christian groups (Nastorians and others), local governors see Armenian Genocide as an opportunity to slaughter them.

To sum up, they all are a part of programmed homogenization of Anatolia.

[lal]

Again, terminology is not important but lal, what should we call 1912-1913 Greek exile?





we are originally from selanik. they also killed us there. ı know this. in akhisar we moved to their houses and lands. and they moved to ours.

but armenians position is rather different.





To sum up, they all are a part of programmed homogenization of Anatolia



this is exactly true. may be they thought this kind of a policy was necessary in those days. but today this is not suitable to turkey any more for sure. we definitly need a change.