Coming to terms with the events of 1915

[lal]

Now or tomorrow, in this style or another, Turkish state has to, should, must and will recognize the Genocides and massacres. We will se it, nearly i am sure about it. There is no any other solution of this problem and this structure cannot continue by escaping from realities.

ı totally agree. but it may take a long time before the state can make such a huge change. when that day comes, we will be living in a very different ,much freer country.there will be no more kurd problem. kurdish culture will be accepted sincerely together with every original anatolian cultures. armenian word will not be an insult any more. armenians will be accepted as original neighbours,anatolian people.maybe some of them will return back home as their honour given back to them. we will no more boast about our turkishness,or our huge military, but we will be working for humanity and justice and science and mostly for planets reserve.

but untill that day we,people must start talking more loudly in our own country. we must be able to face dark parts of our history,without calculating the negative outcomes of the apologise.

only when we apologise ,ı may forgive myself and my own ancestors.

lal

[Sako]

Great words, good points, and I'm sure we'll live to see Turkey grow up already and become a man.

[lal]

Great words, good points, and I'm sure we'll live to see Turkey grow up already and become a man.

ı dont answer your posts but ı read some of them. ı must say that ı am not agree with some things you say. ı am not so sure that all armenians want an apologise from turks.some armenians have bigger dreams which can bring bigger problems for another 500 years.some armenians consider it as beating the enemy. just like, we are called as traitors in our own country.

ı look at the problem from turkish citezens point of view.although ı dont approve it, turkish government can go on keeping the borders closed untill the azerbeycan and armenia solve karabağ problem.turkish government can go on political fight against paying compensations to armenia,techniqally and relating to that times laws, refusing it to be called a genocide, turkish military can defend countries lands against everybody including armenia.

but what turks and turkish government shouldnt do is, to refuse what happened in the past. this is immoral and this makes turkey less honorable and also less democratic. turkey must apologise from every single armenian living on earth for erasing their thousands of years of culture from anatolia and for the sadness we have given them for a century. turkey must give their honour back. turkey must declare all armenians of the world as priveleged people who can do business in turkey with less taxes, can come in and live in turkey without visa etc. if they prove they had roots in turkey ,they must be given their turkish citizenship back ,if they still can demand it.

[Steph]

Lal, what you write hear strikes a chord with all, if not all at least most. I have a question. Do your family, friends, colleagues share your views? If not, who do you discuss these issues with? If you're isolated in your community, how are you coping? The thread which runs through all your posts, in my mind, is of a bird in a cage. I understand your wish to heal both Armenians and turks. Take care.

[ardakilic]

Lal:

I think we can forget about the issues regarding land or Sevres Treaty. In a philosophical aspect, like an anarchist, borders are meaningless things for me. What about a loose confederation or something like that from Athens to Baku, from Yeravan to Damascus? Castle in the air? Non-sense pipe dream? Doesnt matter, even thinking is good.

[ardakilic]

Apologize campaing from intellectuals

A group of intellectual, in the leadership of PhD Cengiz Aktar from Bahcesehir University at Istanbul, started a campaign to apologize about Armenian Deportation.

They declared a text about the events in 1915. As a summary:

"I object the insensivity of the events that Ottoman Armenians suffered as Great Calamity [i think referring the word Yedz Meghern-ardakilic]. I share my Armenian brothers feelings and pains, i apologize".

Milliyet, 5 December 2008

[Sako]

This is great Arda, I'm very happy to hear about this.

ı dont answer your posts but ı read some of them. ı must say that ı am not agree with some things you say. ı am not so sure that all armenians want an apologise from turks.some armenians have bigger dreams which can bring bigger problems for another 500 years.some armenians consider it as beating the enemy. just like, we are called as traitors in our own country.

Lal, did I ever say that ALL the Armenians are perfect or Angels? I fight those very Armenians you talk about and very soon, that will be happening EVERYDAY. What I want is the Turkish people to understand them and move on. If they see Turkey is taking even one step forward, they will move on, they'll HAVE to move on, the world won't wait for them.

And what is it you don't agree with anyways? I'm not a Telepath .

[lal]

Lal, what you write hear strikes a chord with all, if not all at least most. I have a question. Do your family, friends, colleagues share your views? If not, who do you discuss these issues with? If you're isolated in your community, how are you coping? The thread which runs through all your posts, in my mind, is of a bird in a cage. I understand your wish to heal both Armenians and turks. Take care.

ı have a 20 year male friend and he had an armenian girlfriend. they were going out for few years. but girls family strongly objected to their relationship because he was turkish. and it finished. my friend really got a deep love sickness .first ı was very angry to the family. ı called them racists.but ı was curious about armenian problem. ı started to investigate.

turkish excuses did not satisfy me.they say,first armenians started the fight .men were killed okay. but ı always wanted to know what happened to elders, women and children. ı mean why should these people who can be no threat be punished. there is no answer to this.

before years when there were no internet, all turks were thinking that armenians were natural enemy of turks. but now many people know what really happened,but refuse to accept it because of afraiding the negative results of the acceptence--or betterconfession may be--. and ı think this is even more immoral.

my parents are typical turks. they are not racists. but they dont like to talk about this issue. but many young turks openly can talk just like ı do. while obviously there are more nationalists in the country who deny it . but at least we can discuss it now unlike our parents who wont even still talk about this.

this problem must finish,so that both turks and armenians can feel relief. we started to come towards each other. armenians are less hostile and they started to act like they only want turkey to face its history. and turks are at least discussing the issue and started to listen what armenians say.

lal

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

ı have a 20 year male friend and he had an armenian girlfriend. they were going out for few years. but girls family strongly objected to their relationship because he was turkish. and it finished. my friend really got a deep love sickness .first ı was very angry to the family. ı called them racists.but ı was curious about armenian problem. ı started to investigate.

turkish excuses did not satisfy me.they say,first armenians started the fight .men were killed okay. but ı always wanted to know what happened to elders, women and children. ı mean why should these people who can be no threat be punished. there is no answer to this.

before years when there were no internet, all turks were thinking that armenians were natural enemy of turks. but now many people know what really happened,but refuse to accept it because of afraiding the negative results of the acceptence--or betterconfession may be--. and ı think this is even more immoral.

my parents are typical turks. they are not racists. but they dont like to talk about this issue. but many young turks openly can talk just like ı do. while obviously there are more nationalists in the country who deny it . but at least we can discuss it now unlike our parents who wont even still talk about this.

this problem must finish,so that both turks and armenians can feel relief. we started to come towards each other. armenians are less hostile and they started to act like they only want turkey to face its history. and turks are at least discussing the issue and started to listen what armenians say.

lal

Well if wheat you are writing is the truth, than you must be a very special and open minded person, I knew very closely one Turkish girl just like yourself, and I know how hard it to get against mainstream in your country....

[lal]

Well if wheat you are writing is the truth, than you must be a very special and open minded person, I knew very closely one Turkish girl just like yourself, and I know how hard it to get against mainstream in your country....

ım not special,its very easy to be objective.

first,you have to have strong moral values.

second,you must remember that anatolia is the homeland of armenians.

third ,you will ask yourself ,where are they now.

ı think instead of attacks and insults,armenians must do the same. very simple questions,especially about women,children and elders.where are they now?

well we know, either in the unknown graves or in the shape of ,lost people scattered all over the world trying to stick each other.

then if you have a little humanity in yourself, you will join them to rebel to the injustice done.

armenians never deserved what happened to them. so simple.