Parallel Roads

[Steph]

Vahe has a temporary ban. Sometimes its not what you say, but how you say it. We need to be civil here and if we disagree, still be courteous throughout. The personal attacks have to end. I do my part by keeping denialists out.

Joseph, can we do something then about the increase in bad language, regardless of which language? Or am I being an old fogey?

[Joseph]

I want to remind EVERYONE that we have to remain civil. All of us tend to blow things way out of proportion here and in doing so, lose focus. I for one have learned so much from all of you and look forward to reading everyone's posts.

Much of our problems stem from trouble communicating clearly. Some of this might be from using a second-language, being to brash, coupled with differences in age and culture.

And absolutely no bad language/cursewords will be tolerated.

[Sako]

Gavur really knows how to set an example, let's all give him a hand. Lal, don't take him seriously but remember that if you don't know about something, you shouldn't talk in a convincing manner. I know you just wanna help, welcome to the club, but please, Lal, be careful what you say, how you say it, and if you say anything, be ready for criticism although I'm completely against Gavur's mood. Sorry bro, can't hide the facts.

[Sako]

Woah, Saco Jan, you know hitite didn't mention anyone's age and I don't think anyone cares about age here. Your tail's been twisted, let it turn back!

Steph Jan, I care about age. It may not make a difference for anyone here but to me, talking offensively or in a way unsuitable to someone older then me pisses me off more then anything . I feel out of place. I don’t show respect just to get a good image here. I wanted Hitite to understand why I talked the way I did. I know no one brings or brought up age.

But do me a favour? Bad language really annoys me, I like my daughter to read this forum, she's 11, and needs to understand her heritage, we don't use profanities at home, nor should this forum be one that I can't let her use. So Saco, can we use other words, words that can be more effective? Appreciate it.

I sincerely apologize Steph and I’ll try my best. You know my personality and have seen the way I’ve talked since the first day I’ve come here. I apologize but I won’t let anyone disrespect me especially for pretty much no reason. I’m not afraid to say the truth and I’m not going to stand in the bleachers. Anyone that wants to say something better be able to stand up for his/her words. I’m not sentimental and I’m really sorry if I wonder off sometimes, I’ll remember your daughter whenever I want to start talking a bit rough .

I want to remind EVERYONE that we have to remain civil. All of us tend to blow things way out of proportion here and in doing so, lose focus. I for one have learned so much from all of you and look forward to reading everyone's posts.

Much of our problems stem from trouble communicating clearly. Some of this might be from using a second-language, being to brash, coupled with differences in age and culture.

And absolutely no bad language/cursewords will be tolerated.

Sorry Jospeh, I didn’t mean to churn things up. You won’t be saying this to me in the future again.

[lal]

Gavur really knows how to set an example, let's all give him a hand. Lal, don't take him seriously but remember that if you don't know about something, you shouldn't talk in a convincing manner. I know you just wanna help, welcome to the club, but please, Lal, be careful what you say, how you say it, and if you say anything, be ready for criticism although I'm completely against Gavur's mood. Sorry bro, can't hide the facts.

you are right ,ı must not try to solve the political problems as if ı know everything well,who am ı? it is none of my business.armenian ,azeri,,turkish governments can solve it themselves. ı sound stupit offering solutions. but ı want real peace, and people loving each other again,thats why ı try to offer something. not to beat you.but sometimes ı can get very defensive and bad,ı know,this is my character,ı dont like to be attacked.

100 years has passed, but many of you still speak some turkish. this is exactly why ı understand the pain. ı never think armenians are foreigners. maybe you will get very offended again, but ı personally consider armenians almost like christian turks.

ı dont say these words to make you people love me, but ı really started to realise that it is my duty to work for the armenians, in turkey. as long as accepting the genocide officially, may bring some threats for turkish state, like compansations and giving lands, they may never accept it. but ı individually one more time ,and very sincerely apologise for the things happened from armenians.

it is very difficult for me to take a stand completely opposite of the state, unlike mr arda .ı cant go that further. but ı simply dont buy the things deniers talk about. not humanistic and not logical , and not even for the benefit of turkey.



lal

[Edoman]

I don’t see where Saco used bad language or profanity. If anything Hitite was provoking him and he is the one who used the four letter word.

Hey Hitite, there is no such thing as “that kind of Armenians”. Saco is trying very hard, with much credit to him, to bridge the gap between the young generation of Armenians and Turks which could bring more understanding of each other. That is a lot more than anybody can claim that they are doing and that my friend should be commanded and encouraged rather than be ridiculed like you have done.
This shows how desperately Turkey needs to continue to paint Armenians as monsters and to alienate them while Armenians, specifically our younger generation like Saco, try to connect and solve the problems despite what his people have gone through by the hands of your countrymen.

Can you understand how hard it is to do what he is trying to do, especially someone with no connection whatsoever to Turks (blood line or country of residence)?

[Joseph]

I don’t see where Saco used bad language or profanity. If anything Hitite was provoking him and he is the one who used the four letter word.

Hey Hitite, there is no such thing as “that kind of Armenians”. Saco is trying very hard, with much credit to him, to bridge the gap between the young generation of Armenians and Turks which could bring more understanding of each other. That is a lot more than anybody can claim that they are doing and that my friend should be commanded and encouraged rather than be ridiculed like you have done.
This shows how desperately Turkey needs to continue to paint Armenians as monsters and to alienate them while Armenians, specifically our younger generation like Saco, try to connect and solve the problems despite what his people have gone through by the hands of your countrymen.

Can you understand how hard it is to do what he is trying to do, especially someone with no connection whatsoever to Turks (blood line or country of residence)?

I'll give a little background. In hitite's defense, he has been around this forum for quite some time and has had to deal with many overzealous and extremely nationalistic Armenians who have attacked him. It needs to be understood that our Turkish friends who have joined and support us on the issue can often be put on the defensive. Despite the fact that we are dealing with a history that is close to a century old and the continued fall out, we need to understand that much of what we discuss is still new to them. All of us might be oversensitive at times. Everyone who is a member he acknowledges the Genocide, Armenian and Turk, but our views differ over some of the finer points, present relations, politics, etc.

We do not always agree and I will keep reminding everyone to take a step back and respond to each other calmly.

Thank you everyone!

[bell-the-cat]

...and listen ordinary turks more closely why they resist so deeply, try to understand them,what is going on.no humanity left? than ı write again probably. so bye for some time.

lal

When you do want to write again lal, reading an account of the responses of those ordinary Turks would be interesting. It would be something we rarely get to hear.

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

Vahe has a temporary ban. Sometimes its not what you say, but how you say it. We need to be civil here and if we disagree, still be courteous throughout. The personal attacks have to end. I do my part by keeping denialists out.

Well, Joseph, I admit maybe I got a little emotional. But I think you overreacted as well. I didn’t die ofcous from this 2 days ban, but it is pathetic for me to be banned from this forum. If you do not get why now may be you will understand that some day. I wouldn’t guaranty integrity of any other site where I was limited of my freedom of expression. But for obvious reasons in this case it is pathetic too.
You said: “it’s not what you say, but how you say it”. Well, Joseph, firstly: English is my 4th language, some times I can not express myself the way you do, I haven’t been born in US and haven’t got the education in English, my schools and colleges were quit different from yours, but believe me I have learned a lot what you do not learn in school (although I eventually have done my Academic education in the best university of my country and continued it abroad). But anyway I do not feel like chewing always the same ideas in my posts and putting them in mouth of others to be easy to swallow, I make short points and try create momentum for a discussion or conversation, I do expect minimum level of intellect from opponent. I think my posts until now all have made some sense.
I know we defend the same cause although you do it your way (by running this forum) and I did it in more than one ways (at the moment by some reasons, temporary I am very limited in my options and I am doing what I can do ) so lets respect each other and be a little more patient. If you feel like banning me for good it is in your power as moderator and I guaranty there will not be any consequences from my part as I think what you do in this forum does make some sense. But personally I do not see any reason for that.

[Edoman]

I'll give a little background. In hitite's defense, he has been around this forum for quite some time as has had to deal with many overzealous and extremely nationalistic Armenians who have attacked him. It needs to be understood that our Turkish friends who have joined and support us on the issue can often be put on the defensive. Despite the fact that we are dealing with a history that is close the a century old and the continued fall out, we need to understand that much of what we discuss is still new to them. All of us might be oversensitive at times. Everyone who is a member he acknowledges the Genocide, Armenian and Turk, but our views differ over some of the finer points, present relations, politics, etc.

We do not always agree and I will keep reminding everyone to take a step back and respond to each other calmly.

Thank you everyone!

I understand Joseph.
I also like to say that personally I would hate to see this website loose any of its Turkish contributors which makes this place so dynamic and educational.


Thank you for providing such an important website.