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Re: Baby Steps
Free Speech is a main pillar of democracy, remove it and democracy collapses, also removing rational judgment and saying the Armenian Genocide didn't happen only makes it worse.
Noneed to overestimate AG. It is a historical argument not related with democracy or anyother thing.
Free speech is root of democracy and If people prefer to choose something that You do not agree(like refusing AG.), It is still democracy. infact better democracy than to force people to accept AG with lobies.
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Originally posted by eloweeth View PostHello,I am new in this forum and sorry for my bad english.
I am Turkish and I wanted to say a big sorry to all of you,hope you don't think all of us are prisoners of what is sometimes being dictated on us. I must say for a very long time I was not even interested in this issue and thinking are these armenians crazy that after such a long time they still have grudge and why do they want us to except this,what they will benefit from this....
But today I have no doubt that it was a genocide which took place.And it is also a fact that turkish people will gradually realize this,there is still time but they will...Please be patient because the other way of forcing them to realize will not make a big change in the public opinion.
So this is a baby step both for my life and on relations among us.Hope a time will come we all leave those things behind and become brother countries of mutual support
We have waited 93 years and all we got was baby steps. Think about this for a second, if our situations were reversed, how would you feel if someone asked you to be patient?Hayastan or Bust.
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Sorry guys, been away for awhile.
I don't know why, can you please tell me Saco?
Because he's a Turk and lives in Turkey. This song is a very powerful song with powerful lyrics so imagine a Turk singing about how his forefathers murdered 1.5 million Armenians. Turkish officials would hang him and if they didn't, some retard would pull out a gun and assassinate him while he was walking down the road.
Hello,I am new in this forum and sorry for my bad english.
I am Turkish and I wanted to say a big sorry to all of you,hope you don't think all of us are prisoners of what is sometimes being dictated on us. I must say for a very long time I was not even interested in this issue and thinking are these armenians crazy that after such a long time they still have grudge and why do they want us to except this,what they will benefit from this....
But today I have no doubt that it was a genocide which took place.And it is also a fact that turkish people will gradually realize this,there is still time but they will...Please be patient because the other way of forcing them to realize will not make a big change in the public opinion.
So this is a baby step both for my life and on relations among us.Hope a time will come we all leave those things behind and become brother countries of mutual support
We have waited 93 years and all we got was baby steps. Think about this for a second, if our situations were reversed, how would you feel if someone asked you to be patient?Last edited by Sako; 03-13-2009, 07:31 AM.THE ROAD TO FREEDOM AND JUSTICE IS A LONG ONE!
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Originally posted by Saco View PostBecause he's a Turk and lives in Turkey. This song is a very powerful song with powerful lyrics so imagine a Turk singing about how his forefathers murdered 1.5 million Armenians. Turkish officials would hang him and if they didn't, some retard would pull out a gun and assassinate him while he was walking down the road.
Kardes Turkuler (translates something like Brotherhood Songs), sings in all languages spoken in Turkey. Turkish, Kurdish, Armenian, Greek, Roma, Laz etc. For an Armenian song they sing:
Erkan Ogur made an album with Djivan Gasparyan, who as far as I hear shows a strong support for AG. For a video:
Both Kardes Turkuler and Erkan Ogur openly did their albums, they are very popular in Turkey, nobody killed them so far. This does not necessarily mean people can do whatever in Turkey happily and without any barriers. Actually, I do not feel good to give their examples as if everything is allright, that would not lie in the same course of what these people are trying to achieve, but it will lie in the course of the authorities who thinks such examples can white-wash their practices. Kardes Turkuler faced a lot of problems to release their video for their Kurish songs years before. In terms of the power of the lyrics, the singer would not be the only person to admit AG. There are people who are advocating the same in Turkey, yes, with a lot of troubles but at the end, picture is not as evil as you draw. Death threats is not a oppression technique of Turks only.
Democracy in Turkey is a struggle of people like anywhere else in the world. And in this big picture, Armenian problem is just a minor issue, do not overestimate your influence. I am sorry but I am sick of this overall attitude of democracy fighting, as if it is THE regime that will surely make the world better place. It would do it by now if it has any wonder.
note: The post was edited to adress the song lyrics' impact.Last edited by may; 03-13-2009, 12:07 PM.
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Re: Baby Steps
Kardes Turkuler (translates something like Brotherhood Songs), sings in all languages spoken in Turkey. Turkish, Kurdish, Armenian, Greek, Roma, Laz etc. For an Armenian song they sing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbWfz-g6TJ8
I'm not talking about Turks singing with Armenians or slightly supporting them. I'm talking about Turks singing solo about the AG itself. If I'm wrong and there really isn't anything to worry about (which we can see very clearly in Turkey, lol) then the singer simply didn't want anyone to know that HE personally sang that song. All the same, it's a step forward and I'm happy to know we're moving on gradually.
PeaceTHE ROAD TO FREEDOM AND JUSTICE IS A LONG ONE!
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Just wanted to mention that a special film will be screening here in Armenia (at around 9:30 if I'm not mistaken, on April 24th) called Neretsek Mez Hayer or Forgive us Armenians. The commercial alone made my hair stand on end so I urge everyone to watch it if they can. You can see it on SHANT.
There are many things you don't know ... many things that haven't come out of Turkey. Definitely watch this film and I think your views on Turkey's New and Old Generation will change.THE ROAD TO FREEDOM AND JUSTICE IS A LONG ONE!
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i can tell,we are able to make bussines as our grandfathers did before AG.
But dont mix bussines with personal intrests.We will see always Turks as enemys.
They have cross the line far many times and long ago.
Even if u find people that talk abouy peace,it will never hapen cause from both sides u will find people like me War is the only tool of nagotations we can have with them.
Humanity even in UN havent find a way to settle things it is anarchy between nations and army is the only thing that keeps order in the world like it or not.
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i can tell,we are able to make bussines as our grandfathers did before AG.
But dont mix bussines with personal intrests.We will see always Turks as enemys.
They have cross the line far many times and long ago.
Even if u find people that talk abouy peace,it will never hapen cause from both sides u will find people like me.
War is the only tool of nagotations we can have with them.
Humanity even in UN havent find a way to settle things it is anarchy between nations and army is the only thing that keeps order in the world like it or not.
The problems start from within us my friend ... from within us.THE ROAD TO FREEDOM AND JUSTICE IS A LONG ONE!
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