Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Turks in Germany will successfully be assimilated as German citizens in the coming years. A Turkish politician is already the co-chair of the green party in Germany, a major party that is in coalition within the ruling government. Turks are all and all the most peaceful and integrated muslim minority in Europe.

Turkey has been an ally of America since day one, they are far more faithful to the US than the Iraqi Kurds will ever be. And anyway, relations between Iraqi Kurds and Turkey are improving, both have mutual interests in the disarmament of the PKK.

I am expecting Obama to be the most openly pro-Turkish president ever. He is coming to Turkey in less than two weeks. Usually, US presidents visit Greece and Turkey simultaneously, so as to not condone the Turkish states oppression of Christianity/Christians. Now, Obama is breaking precedent with the mandatory Greece visit, and is coming to Turkey as part of a European, not middle eastern, tour.

Also, Obama promised to give a major speech in muslim capitol within the first 100 days of his presidency during his campaign. This muslim capitol will be Ankara.

Turkey, who indeed has oppressed non-muslims within in the past and present, is still without a doubt the most liberal and secular muslim country in the world. This is why Obama is coming to Turkey so soon in his presidency.

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Last but not least, Turkey will never be split up. Don't you understand the fanaticism of the Turkish military? They will never let it happen. And anyway, the political power of the Turkish military has greatly diminished, and will continue to diminish in the coming years. This will actually help unify Turks and Kurds. Within the coming decade i seriously expect the disarmament of the PKK. The Turkish state will finally accept the existence of the Kurdish ethnicity and culture, in exchange for their loyalty.

Thanks for the fantastic information; so you claim that Turks are an outstanding nation and Turkey is one of the best countries in the world; even better that Greeks (on Obama's opinion?) and some people/nations have much to learn from them.

Sorry but I’ve learned about the essence of the Turks from my grandparents about my perished relatives and I trust the facts they told me. And nowadays nothing is changed in Turkey except diplomatic manners and clothing.

Therefore let me doubt in your words trustworthiness.

Gevorg

[hitite]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Turkey badly needs to establish diplomatic relations with Armenia...

Dont you think the opposite is the case?

[egeli]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Turks in Germany will successfully be assimilated as German citizens in the coming years. A Turkish politician is already the co-chair of the green party in Germany, a major party that is in coalition within the ruling government. Turks are all and all the most peaceful and integrated muslim minority in Europe.

Turkey has been an ally of America since day one, they are far more faithful to the US than the Iraqi Kurds will ever be. And anyway, relations between Iraqi Kurds and Turkey are improving, both have mutual interests in the disarmament of the PKK.

I am expecting Obama to be the most openly pro-Turkish president ever. He is coming to Turkey in less than two weeks. Usually, US presidents visit Greece and Turkey simultaneously, so as to not condone the Turkish states oppression of Christianity/Christians. Now, Obama is breaking precedent with the mandatory Greece visit, and is coming to Turkey as part of a European, not middle eastern, tour.

Also, Obama promised to give a major speech in muslim capitol within the first 100 days of his presidency during his campaign. This muslim capitol will be Ankara.

Turkey, who indeed has oppressed non-muslims within in the past and present, is still without a doubt the most liberal and secular muslim country in the world. This is why Obama is coming to Turkey so soon in his presidency.

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Last but not least, Turkey will never be split up. Don't you understand the fanaticism of the Turkish military? They will never let it happen. And anyway, the political power of the Turkish military has greatly diminished, and will continue to diminish in the coming years. This will actually help unify Turks and Kurds. Within the coming decade i seriously expect the disarmament of the PKK. The Turkish state will finally accept the existence of the Kurdish ethnicity and culture, in exchange for their loyalty.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

In current geopolitical situation, when US invasion in Iraq and subsequent astronomic military spendings couldn't be covered by occupied oil resources, the five year period resulted in absolute economic collapse for the world's superpower.

For more details search in the Internet the sentence below:

Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

GevorgP

gegev,

Obama has already won the election; he`s been President for 2 months.

You are absolutely right the first part of this thread was posted by me last year in another forum and I've just quoted it and above, in the post, I've mentioned about it.

Regards,

GevorgP

[Alexandros]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

This hits two targets at the same time; binding next US president (I guess Barak Obama will be next one) to cooperate with Turkey which, given current political situation, is against US interests and at the same time guarantees (wouldn't leave any other option to future American presidents) US support to Turkey for a long time after Bush "presidency". And Bush, I guess later on, will visit Turkey frequently to "listen/get" Turkish praises/prizes.

gegev,

Obama has already won the election; he`s been President for 2 months.

[gegev]

I've posted this in another foroum in 2008

In current geopolitical situation, when US invasion in Iraq and subsequent astronomic military spendings couldn't be covered by occupied oil resources, the five year period resulted in absolute economic collapse for the world's superpower.

Now it is apparent that US strategic interests in the Middle East are crying for a "Cheaper" solution under current deadlock in Iraq; that is creating there two reliable puppet states; Kurdish and Suni, at no cost to USA, insuring that most of Iraqi oil resources are under their control and pulling out troops to stop unlimited military spending and, at the same time, obtain more reliable US allies, as opposed to Turkey.

Then using the exempt resources prevent economy from absolute collapse by insuring it's smooth downfall, which is most important thing currently.

But alas, US interests don't match with Bush ones, he now is planning to carry out most deadly and binding for US, long term program; locating super-expensive radars in Turkey.

This hits two targets at the same time; binding next US president (I guess Barak Obama will be next one) to cooperate with Turkey which, given current political situation, is against US interests and at the same time guarantees (wouldn't leave any other option to future American presidents) US support to Turkey for a long time after Bush "presidency". And Bush, I guess later on, will visit Turkey frequently to "listen/get" Turkish praises/prizes.

Note please that EU, despite of prior promises, given to Turkey, after reassessing current situation, is refusing Turkish HUG. They recognize, by learning Armenia or Kosovo historical experience, how deadly and disgusting it could be.

The EU members, especially Germany with 3 million Turkish population, have bitter recognition of the fact that Turks are "Masters" in assimilating/absorbing other nations, even out of Turkey, where they are minority there, FOR A WHILE, their "culture", religion and great know how in the population reproduction area, is a super-arm; able to absorb, in no time, such weak, in the "area", European states.

And then "the MINORITY" will enforce to accept their type of democracy, moderated by Mullahs/Generals.

Now Bush ends up his "term" with faded image of American distinguished wealth and power in the world. And, if not prevented, he can attach Turkey to the American tow cable to drag them, regardless of US weakness or tiredness; waiting for China to replace the Superpower.

For more details search in the Internet the sentence below:

Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Turkey badly needs to establish diplomatic relations with Armenia and ask USA to suspend accepting Armenian genocide bill with an argument that then they are going to establish a joint Turkey - Armenia Commission; to discuss whether or not the Genocide happened and that the Genocide issue is the business of the two countries; its not USA business; thus preventing Obama to accept the bill.

The article above I've posted in another foroum in 2008.

We shouldn't agree to establish diplomatic relations with Turks before April 24, 2009 it badly needs to be postponed. Otherwise it will assist Turkey to prevent Genocide recognition by the US pariliament.

Please don't forget it!

GevorgP