Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

[araratsi]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

They thought we were a problem now they will see what a real problem is.
Once this gets going it will last for years

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Turks started court hearings against, about 150, PKK members and are eager to conceal the fact. They are not commenting it internally and don’t let foreign journalists to attend the hearings.
But the efforts are doomed to fail, the large scale confrontation between Turkey and Kurds is under way.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

http://asbarez.com/87495/leaked-us-m...ters%e2%80%99/


Leaked US Military Documents Show Army Sees PKK as ‘Freedom Fighters’

WASHINGTON (Today’s Zaman)–The US Army considers members of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), classified by the US and Turkey as a terrorist organization, as “freedom fighters” according to leaked classified documents disclosed by WikiLeaks this week.
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Nothing in the world can stop the fight of the oppressed/occupied nations against the barbarians. We won our fights in ..., Sardarabad, Arthakh and proved de facto that we/oppressed are able to conquer, frighten and force the beast to retreat, cleaning out our land of the crap.
PKK fight against Seljuks gains momentum, because US army isn’t there to support Turkey. And Kurds now united and inspired by our recent achievements are ready to start the final attack; with indirect support of Armenians and the rest of nations that suffered genocide.

[londontsi]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

http://asbarez.com/87495/leaked-us-military-documents-show-army-sees-pkk-as-%e2%80%98freedom-fighters%e2%80%99/

Leaked US Military Documents Show Army Sees PKK as ‘Freedom Fighters’

WASHINGTON (Today’s Zaman)–The US Army considers members of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), classified by the US and Turkey as a terrorist organization, as “freedom fighters,” according to leaked classified documents disclosed by WikiLeaks this week.

Turkey is mentioned in 128 of 391,000 confidential documents leaked by the whistleblower website that revealed the shocking civilian death toll in Iraq. In one document, the PKK is exalted as “freedom fighters.” The documents refer to a PKK group captured in Fallujah in 2004 as “freedom fighters who are citizens of Turkey.” The timing of this document comes shortly after Turkey’s Parliament decided not to allow the US to deploy troops in Turkey to attack Iraq.

Among the documents is a note about a PKK member caught in 2006, which states that it might be risky to hand him over to Iraqi police. Another document includes a report showing that a large number of Turks were arrested in Fallujah, the base of Sunni resistance fighters. A document from February 2007 reported that an Iraqi who resides in Turkey provided chemical gas used in several attacks by al-Qaeda there. WikiLeaks’ new revelations were seen as shocking by many, as US documents show that the civilian death toll in Iraq since the 2003 invasion has reached 115,000. This includes only the number of documented deaths.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Armenian TV channels reported about political instability in Iraq between Sunni, Sheit and Kurd; Mass Media doesn’t report much on that and Kurdish rebellion in Turkey; pipeline blasts, Turkish solder killings, etc.
Don’t we have someone in our Forum with close ties in Iraq and Kurds in Turkey to comment the situation there?
Reports on taking out US army completes all the required preconditions for expected radical territorial map redrawing developments in the Meade East and Caucasus.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Geopolitical situation in the world is radically changed.
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USA democrats won presidential elections; because voters want to return the USA army home, reduce the budget deficit, promote industrial growth and, at the same time, ensure that US strategic interests in the Middle East are not affected.

Democrats are patriots of their country, therefore their primary goal is not to maintain Iraq's territorial integrity; just to accommodate Turkey's national interests (Preventing Kurds to establish a Kurdish state in Iraq) at any cost to USA.

Growing instability in Iraq and collapse of USA projections on creating pro-American United Iraqi government, within reasonable cost and timeframe, failed. Because America wanted do it without breaking it into three states, Kurdish Sunni and Shia; to comfort Turkey’s national interests.

This radically changed political situation, during recent years, in USA. America, using its military superiority, rapidly occupied the country and apparently it was the most easy; first part of their plan.
And now they are unable (mission impossible) accomplish the second part of their plan, and the end, it is apparent, that way USA can not continue this war. Because, after occupying the country, when Americans are located inside, in large numbers, throughout Iraq, they can not use their only advantage; mass destruction weapons.
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USA voter is aware that the dollar; the US most effective political and military tool is gradually becoming a second grade currency.
I guess, to adjust the situation above, and promote its national interests, US may act this way:
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Letting, not preventing, Kurds create a puppet Kurdish state in Iraq, which will be a natural ally for America. Preliminarily, of cause, ensuring that; most of the Iraqi oil reserves are controlled by Kurds and make sure that they are properly armed to confront Shias, Sunni and eventually – Turkey to free their occupied land.

Expel Turkey form NATO, because USA will have several opportunities for relocating military bases in the region; Kurdistan, Georgia and perhaps the Sunni state.
Relocate military bases from Turkey to Kurdistan.
Return US army home.
Of cause Kurds and Armenia will benefit from this too. But, you know, this is not the primary goal of the action above.

What happened to France-Turkish relations after passing the Armenian Genocide bill … nothing! Now Turks are handling their politics with France more cautiously and politely, than ever before, that is the results are positive for France.

Obama declared that, in August 2010, US troops will be taken out of Iraq. This radically changes the situation in the Middle East and Caucasus. It will change all the US relationships; soon you’ll see that US politics there would be reversed radically.

Soon, when US troops are out of Iraq: Kurdish factor will be augmented in the Region. Now they are Federative Iraq’s Kurdish Republic. But as the Iraqi current developments indicate vividly: the Sunni, Sheit and Kurds conduct de facto war against each other and only the US presence prevents them breaking down Iraq into three independent states. Thus Iraq’s break down is inevitable. And then the Kurdish State created in Iraq (or at least the Kurdish Republic of the Federative Iraq) will accelerate the Kurdish rebellion movement in Turkey: resulting in splitting down it into several parts: the smallest part will belong to Seljuks.

And the Kurdish rebellion movement in Turkey is under way now, you know ...

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Kurds in Turkey declared null and void their cease-fire agreement with Turkey, recently. Thus Turks are forced to abolish their “mission” of establishing peace and prosperity in Caucasus region, because they are in the state of war with 20million Kurdish population inside the Disputable Territory called Turkey. And now they need to establish peace inside the Territory.

I’m sure that this is the beginning of splitting the Territory into several independent counties/nations that would live in their historical lands forever.

By the way; Armenia and Kurdistan collaboration would be very useful at the Armenia-Kurdistan-Greece-Turkey map redrawing negotiation process for the territories: at least during the first stage.

Kurds started their war for independence, in Turkey. This will be long and severe battle with the barbarians. Kurds have few supporters outside. We should seek/find proper ways of supporting them.

[londontsi]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

You are right Nal-bandyan is just a puppet, given his behavior at signing protocols and loud announcements that there are no preconditions in the Protocols. And now he with the same “confidence” claims the opposit, he is as flexible as ....

Yes indeed.
He was lying to his own side about the truth when he should have kept his skullduggery skills to the other side.
Appalling behavior.

What is worse, the president did not ask for his resignation just incredible.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Are we forgetting a little detail.
Surely Armenia must agree to this.
I am nervious about Nalbandian but I trust and pray Sarkisyan will hold out.

You are right Nal-bandyan is just a puppet, given his behavior at signing protocols and loud announcements that there are no preconditions in the Protocols. And now he with the same “confidence” claims the opposit, he is as flexible as ....

[londontsi]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Why are u bashing him so much?

I am not bashing him. I only said I was nervous.

I sincerely hope my feeling is misplaced.

He have proven that he is skilled politician and thats what he is doing and Sargysian which all of them are Artsax supporters to there own guts.

I have no doubt he is a skilled politician but I get nightmares when I remember the protocols fiasco when he took us to the brink.