Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

[Alexandros]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Repeating same thing wont help discussion.

Even you are right(And you are not. Neither cyprus nor greece had good relation with her neighbors.). EU is a long run project and We can open borders after 10 year.

Armenia is realy an unimportant problem at EU-Turkey relationship. So It is not a good weapon for Armenia.

Ok then.Let`s exclude Turkey and Armenia and talk about Greece and Cyprus - who are both members of the EU since 1981 respectively 2004 - and their relations with their neighbours.

I`m going to make it very easy for you and not ask so many questions; three questions will be fine:


1.Does Greece and Cyprus occupy a part of land of their neighbour/neighbours?

2.Does Greece and Cyprus have their border closed with their neighbour/neighbours?

3.Does Greece and Cyprus continuously violate their neighbour/neighbours airspace?


Remember: Turkey and Armenia are excluded!

[Palavra]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Repeating same thing wont help discussion.

Even you are right(And you are not. Neither cyprus nor greece had good relation with her neighbors.). EU is a long run project and We can open borders after 10 year.

Armenia is realy an unimportant problem at EU-Turkey relationship. So It is not a good weapon for Armenia.

[Alexandros]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

You are realy wasting your time with this stupidy.


do you realy think so? Interestingly, I did not see much pressure from EU about armenians at last years.

We see that Europea can make some difference for some countries.(A good example would be cyprus.)

Anyway, It is RAO who is working for opening borders, not Turkey. So even, This can show that who need opening borders..

46th MEETING OF THE

EC-TURKEY ASSOCIATION COUNCIL

(Brussels – 27 May 2008)

POSITION OF THE EUROPEAN UNION

In line with the Negotiating Framework and previous European Council and Council conclusions, Turkey needs to unequivocally commit to good neighbourly relations and to the peaceful settlement of disputes in accordance with the United Nations Charter, including, if necessary, jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice. In this context, Turkey should address any sources of friction with its neighbours and refrain from any threat or action which could negatively affect good neighbourly relations and the peaceful settlement of disputes.

You can read more here

"Good neighbourly relations" are the key words.It will be up to Turkey - since it`s Turkey who wants to join the EU - to show that they can solve disputes peacefully and in accordance with the "United Nations Charter..."

[Palavra]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

You are realy wasting your time with this stupidy.

hitite,

I think gegev has a point.If Turkey wants to join the EU, Turkey needs to have good neighbourly relations with their neighbours - that is what the EU report says.

do you realy think so? Interestingly, I did not see much pressure from EU about armenians at last years.

We see that Europea can make some difference for some countries.(A good example would be cyprus.)

Anyway, It is RAO who is working for opening borders, not Turkey. So even, This can show that who need opening borders..

[may]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Thanks for the fantastic information; so you claim that Turks are an outstanding nation and Turkey is one of the best countries in the world; even better that Greeks (on Obama's opinion?) and some people/nations have much to learn from them.

Sorry but I’ve learned about the essence of the Turks from my grandparents about my perished relatives and I trust the facts they told me. And nowadays nothing is changed in Turkey except diplomatic manners and clothing.

Therefore let me doubt in your words trustworthiness.

Gevorg

Hi Gegev,

I've read your post again as you asked, but I think my questions are still valid and they are directed for the bold fotmatted text above.

I do not want to doubt your good intentions based on the words that you choose and emphasize in your previous post. But still, your post include a good deal of prejudice and mis-interpreted content.

I'll be waiting for your response.

may

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Hi Gegev,
And comes the point: "Essense of Turks"? Where does this essense comes from? Our genes?

Dear may and hitite,

You are the only ones that didn't catch what I mean.
Please read the post once again, I will answer you in April.

Thanks for the fantastic information; so you claim that Turks are an outstanding nation and Turkey is one of the best countries in the world; even better that Greeks (on Obama's opinion?) and some people/nations have much to learn from them.

Sorry but I’ve learned about the essence of the Turks from my grandparents about my perished relatives and I trust the facts they told me. And nowadays nothing is changed in Turkey except diplomatic manners and clothing.

Therefore let me doubt in your words trustworthiness.

GevorgP

[hitite]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Thanks for the fantastic information; so you claim that Turks are an outstanding nation and Turkey is one of the best countries in the world; even better that Greeks

Absolutely.

[may]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Thanks for the fantastic information; so you claim that Turks are an outstanding nation and Turkey is one of the best countries in the world; even better that Greeks (on Obama's opinion?) and some people/nations have much to learn from them.

Sorry but I’ve learned about the essence of the Turks from my grandparents about my perished relatives and I trust the facts they told me. And nowadays nothing is changed in Turkey except diplomatic manners and clothing.

Therefore let me doubt in your words trustworthiness.

Gevorg

Hi Gegev,

How could you end up such a summary (Turks being outstanding nation/Turkey is the best country) from egeli's response?

Assimilation, in the way it sounds to me, is not a positive word and I belive what meant was "integration". Nevertheless, neither assimilation or integration will make Turks the best nation.

Is being an ally to U.S. something that makes Turkey best country? Egeli mentioning Obama's trip to Turkey (I doubt it, though) makes him praising Turkey?

Egeli also mention opressions but gives a bit of credit to the difference of Turkey in among countries with muslim majority populations. Is this where Turkey is portrait as the best country?

And comes the point: "Essense of Turks"? Where does this essense comes from? Our genes?

[Alexandros]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Dont you think the opposite is the case?

hitite,

I think gegev has a point.If Turkey wants to join the EU, Turkey needs to have good neighbourly relations with their neighbours - that is what the EU report says.

[Alexandros]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Turks in Germany will successfully be assimilated as German citizens in the coming years. A Turkish politician is already the co-chair of the green party in Germany, a major party that is in coalition within the ruling government. Turks are all and all the most peaceful and integrated muslim minority in Europe.

Turkey has been an ally of America since day one, they are far more faithful to the US than the Iraqi Kurds will ever be. And anyway, relations between Iraqi Kurds and Turkey are improving, both have mutual interests in the disarmament of the PKK.

I am expecting Obama to be the most openly pro-Turkish president ever. He is coming to Turkey in less than two weeks. Usually, US presidents visit Greece and Turkey simultaneously, so as to not condone the Turkish states oppression of Christianity/Christians. Now, Obama is breaking precedent with the mandatory Greece visit, and is coming to Turkey as part of a European, not middle eastern, tour.

Also, Obama promised to give a major speech in muslim capitol within the first 100 days of his presidency during his campaign. This muslim capitol will be Ankara.

Turkey, who indeed has oppressed non-muslims within in the past and present, is still without a doubt the most liberal and secular muslim country in the world. This is why Obama is coming to Turkey so soon in his presidency.

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Last but not least, Turkey will never be split up. Don't you understand the fanaticism of the Turkish military? They will never let it happen. And anyway, the political power of the Turkish military has greatly diminished, and will continue to diminish in the coming years. This will actually help unify Turks and Kurds. Within the coming decade i seriously expect the disarmament of the PKK. The Turkish state will finally accept the existence of the Kurdish ethnicity and culture, in exchange for their loyalty.

Turkey has been an ally of America since day one, they are far more faithful to the US than the Iraqi Kurds will ever be.

Not when it comes to the Iraq war.When USA invaded Iraq, Turkey refused to let USA use Turkish soil in order for USA to invade Iraq from Turkey`s southeastern border.Rumsfeld was pretty pissed about it and even said that had Turkey allowed USA to open a northern front, more American soldiers could have been saved.However the Kurdish Pesmerga soldiers In northern Iraq fought side by side with the American soldiers against Saddam Hussein`s troops.

I have to say, the Kurds in northern Iraq have played their cards extremely well.

I am expecting Obama to be the most openly pro-Turkish president ever. He is coming to Turkey in less than two weeks. Usually, US presidents visit Greece and Turkey simultaneously, so as to not condone the Turkish states oppression of Christianity/Christians. Now, Obama is breaking precedent with the mandatory Greece visit, and is coming to Turkey as part of a European, not middle eastern, tour.

That remains to be seen.USA has their own interests.

Also, Obama promised to give a major speech in muslim capitol within the first 100 days of his presidency during his campaign. This muslim capitol will be Ankara.

That would have been cool however this has not been confirmed.