Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

[hipeter924]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

I agree that your scenario soon will become reality with one reservation: the superpowers must be very mighty in terms of nuclear arms, India has just a few nukes. I guess it is impossible to become superpower without having strong nuclear arsenal. And in Japan's case it's absolutely impossible. Do you agree?

Well Japan will never be a military power, unless there is a dramatic change in public opinion. Right now Japan has a strong pacifist movement but if North Korea/China becomes threatening enough to Taiwan and South Korea then Japan may develop nuclear weapons; because it has the capacity to create nukes from its nuclear power stations and technology. India has no reason to develop more nukes as that would only start another nuclear arms race with Pakistan, it is likely to concentrate on conventional forces such as its navy, airforce and army.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Don't expect the west, and its globalist leaders to exit without kicking and screaming.

America is loosing its face worldwide as a superpower, human rights defender and the land of prosperity.

Just pay attention that in the foreign relations committee all the members in their speeches recognized AG as a historical truth but regardless the fact about half of them openly declared that recognizing the fact is not profitable for the United States.

Eventually unveiling nowadays USA real face world wide. Thus Hillary Clinton on behalf of America declared that when they judge a criminal: the sentence will depend on profitability of the court decision to USA and if it is not, the victim will be sentenced, instead. Truth doesn't matter much.

This proves that for some of the nowadays USA politicians Judah Iscariot’s image is the most typical: 30 silver coins matters most.

In addition, note please that America doesn't loose the 30 silvers, by accepting AG because:

After accepting the AG bill US would obtain the most powerful tool to threat Turkey with; initiating AG compensation international legal process. It will convert Turkey into the most polite puppet of America, which would be very useful thing for USA right now: before taking their troops out of Iraq.

What happened to France-Turkish relations after passing the Armenian Genocide bill … nothing! Now Turks are handling their politics with France more cautiously and politely, than ever before.

After accepting the AG bill by US Congress, the same thing will happen to US-Turkey relations, after a week of bitter cries, Turks will express their readiness to do everything the US requires, providing that the AG compensation process is frozen for a while.

[Armanen]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Don't expect the west, and its globalist leaders to exit without kicking and screaming.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

I think we are going to see a future of China, India, USA, Russia and Japan as the top players but a MUCH more even distribution of power; obviously US debt and slowing down of its economy will have a negative impact, but in the long term the US economy will even out. India is likely going to be a 1st world nation by the end of this century, and I would bet on India over China simply because its economic policy covers the whole nation (China just focuses on the cities), its economy is more efficient (and better planned) and of course as opposed to China it is a well functioning democracy. When US power wanes in the middle east, all the other powers will move in; no one will ever abandon the middle east.

I agree that your scenario soon will become reality with one reservation: the superpowers must be very mighty in terms of nuclear arms, India has just a few nukes. I guess it is impossible to become superpower without having strong nuclear arsenal. And in Japan's case it's absolutely impossible. Do you agree?

[hipeter924]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

De facto truth is that regardless of Obama’s desire USA can’t stop severe fighting among Sunni, Sheit and Kurds. Under Saddam dictatorship it didn’t happen much, but now after occupying the country America can’t, is unable, to stop the violence in Iraq, instead it gradually increases and now that’s out of US army control. How can you hope that after US troops are out of Iraq and when there is no another mighty dictator like Saddam: the violence and alienation among the Sunni, Sheit and Kurds for the oil reserves etc. will stop.

Do you believe that the task that US couldn’t carry out, Turkey can? And Turks will be able to consolidate Iraq, although they are in a state of war with Iraqi Kurds (remember air strikes) and are facing increased Kurdish opposition inside.
Note please that there are things that even America can’t do: look closely at Iraq and Afghanistan invasion devastating results, China’s growing economic/military might and America’s economic decline.
Please support your statements with some solid argumentation.

I think we are going to see a future of China, India, USA, Russia and Japan as the top players but a MUCH more even distribution of power; obviously US debt and slowing down of its economy will have a negative impact, but in the long term the US economy will even out. India is likely going to be a 1st world nation by the end of this century, and I would bet on India over China simply because its economic policy covers the whole nation (China just focuses on the cities), its economy is more efficient (and better planned) and of course as opposed to China it is a well functioning democracy. When US power wanes in the middle east, all the other powers will move in; no one will ever abandon the middle east.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

This is the right time for USA to accept the AG bill and obtain the most powerful tool to threat Turkey with; initiating AG compensation international legal process. It will convert Turkey into the most polite puppet of America, which would be very useful thing for USA right now: before taking their troops out of Iraq. Because:

What happened to France-Turkish relations after passing the Armenian Genocide bill … nothing! Now Turks are handling their politics with France more cautiously and politely, than ever before.

After accepting the AG bill by US Congress, the same thing will happen to US-Turkey relations, after a week of bitter cries, Turks will express their readiness to do everything the US requires, providing that the AG compensation process is frozen for a while.

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What happened to France-Turkish relations after passing the Armenian Genocide bill … nothing! Now Turks are handling their politics with France more cautiously and politely, than ever before.

When AG bill will be accepted by US Congress, the same thing will happen to US-Turkey relations, after a week of bitter cries, Turks will express their readiness to do everything the US requires, providing that the AG compensation process is frozen for a while.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

De facto truth is that regardless of Obama’s desire USA can’t stop severe fighting among Sunni, Sheit and Kurds. Under Saddam dictatorship it didn’t happen much, but now after occupying the country America can’t, is unable, to stop the violence in Iraq, instead it gradually increases and now that’s out of US army control. How can you hope that after US troops are out of Iraq and when there is no another mighty dictator like Saddam: the violence and alienation among the Sunni, Sheit and Kurds for the oil reserves etc. will stop.

Do you believe that the task that US couldn’t carry out, Turkey can? And Turks will be able to consolidate Iraq, although they are in a state of war with Iraqi Kurds (remember air strikes) and are facing increased Kurdish opposition inside.
Note please that there are things that even America can’t do: look closely at Iraq and Afghanistan invasion devastating results, China’s growing economic/military might and America’s economic decline.
Please support your statements with some solid argumentation.

Iran, Turkey and Syria together could probably consolidate Iraq, but that is quite unlikely since the West along with Israel keeps poking into everyone else's domestic affairs. They could also tear Iraq apart into 3. Turkey needs to be divided up into provinces before parts of it can be chewed off

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

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The truth is, Obama is not Armenians' friend. Obama wants to control Middle East over Turkey. And non-hawk lobby in USA is planning to balance Iran's influence in the region with Turkey.

Just a few examples; US can not stand in Iraq forever, we all know that. When US soldiers return home, Iraq would be left onto the nap of Iran. Only Turkey can lead Iraq into the Western-orbit.
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C'mon; nobody in Washington would want to split such a country for unbalanced smaller states.

De facto truth is that regardless of Obama’s desire USA can’t stop severe fighting among Sunni, Sheit and Kurds. Under Saddam dictatorship it didn’t happen much, but now after occupying the country America can’t, is unable, to stop the violence in Iraq, instead it gradually increases and now that’s out of US army control. How can you hope that after US troops are out of Iraq and when there is no another mighty dictator like Saddam: the violence and alienation among the Sunni, Sheit and Kurds for the oil reserves etc. will stop.

Do you believe that the task that US couldn’t carry out, Turkey can? And Turks will be able to consolidate Iraq, although they are in a state of war with Iraqi Kurds (remember air strikes) and are facing increased Kurdish opposition inside.
Note please that there are things that even America can’t do: look closely at Iraq and Afghanistan invasion devastating results, China’s growing economic/military might and America’s economic decline.
Please support your statements with some solid argumentation.

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

They see Turkey as an ideal Muslim state.
If that is true then it is a sad time we live in. A country based on barberism and murder is somehow seen as a ideal state of some sort. Give me a break, there is nothing to idealize about turckey. The only reason those arabic states are not developing is because isreal and usa wont let them.

[Army]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Actually theres a huge conflice between Israel and Obama's USA over Turkey.

Israel wants to keep the current status of Turkey: As a bad brother in the region, only friendly with Israel.

Obama's USA and current government in Turkey wants a 'leading' Turkey in the region. That is why every week a minister visits Syria; Erdogan talks against Israel, the Armenian-Turkish relationship thing, dialogue with Kurds...

The truth is, Obama is not Armenians' friend. Obama wants to control Middle East over Turkey. And non-hawk lobby in USA is planning to balance Iran's influence in the region with Turkey.

Just a few examples; US can not stand in Iraq forever, we all know that. When US soldiers return home, Iraq would be left onto the nap of Iran. Only Turkey can lead Iraq into the Western-orbit.

I've travelled some Arabic states this summer and I've seen that, the people there are favoring Turkey a lot. They see Turkey as an ideal Muslim state. They might have been supporting the recognizition of the genocide, however that does not change the fact that, they think Turkey is better than any other Arabic states.

So, as a model; as a power in the region; as a good-friend of USA; and as a good-friend of Israel; as a good economy; good influence; as a Muslim Sunni state.....

C'mon; nobody in Washington would want to split such a country for unbalanced smaller states.